Covid-19 Virus

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Hornet4ever, Jan 30, 2020.

  1. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    I'm sure restaurants was after pubs, but yes you're right about schools. Must have been Wednesday 18th that was announced?
     
  2. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    For the record, I notice the government response to the Times article linked to by @UEA_Hornet on a n other thread and I'm open to the idea that the government acted in good faith before 12th March. But it's clear that their move from "containment" to "delay" was botched badly by their inaction from the 12th to the 20th.
     
  3. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    No, it was all social businesses on the 20th:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51981653
     
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  4. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    One thing this lockdown has made me realise is how much I despise celebrities. Let's hope this is the end of them.
     
  5. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Just wait til next Thursday evening when any and all 'celebrities' who's career needs a boost pops up on BBC1.
     
  6. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I saw a minute or two of that concert last night. Horrific.
     
  7. Dreadnought

    Dreadnought MMC 2010/11 Prediction league 3rd 2011/12

    Problem is most people will lap this up and think it is great!,
     
  8. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  9. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    I saw a comment recently from a doctor who was saying that, while he loves the appreciation being shown by Joe Public every Thursday, he doesn’t like the fact that “narcissistic celebrities” are posting themselves doing so all over social media - the same celebrities who, in reality, would only ever use private healthcare anyway and wouldn’t “lower” themselves to use the NHS.
     
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  10. Maninblack

    Maninblack Reservist

    The Sun lowering its standards even further today, if that was possible. Pure speculation that pubs will be closed until Christmas as their main headline. with a cartoon virus label saying '596 dead - see p.4' on the beer glass. #DontBuyTheSun

    The Sun2.jpg
     
  11. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    I watched the Youtube stream of the original US version. Skipped through the random celebrities talking and only listened to the music. Thought it was excellent.

    Tuned in for a little bit of the BBC coverage and thought it was dreadful.
     
  12. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    TBF I suppose that the original subject (targetting its readership) of the headline "Gammonspoons" would have to written in a tiny font to fit on the front-page...
     
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  13. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

  14. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

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  15. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Riots and protests in France eh? This crisis really brings out totally random and unexpected events.
     
  16. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It’s pretty much QED for the anti-lockdown case.
     
  17. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Much as the intention is probably positive, the sight of celebs doing an online concert, or a charity single, really starts to stick in my craw. We're raising money for an NHS which should be funded by taxes, which a lot of these people deliberately avoid.
     
  18. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Considerable fall in the hospital death total today (428). Still a grim 428, but a definite sign that the tide is turning, as it must.

    After weeks of lockdown the new infection rate in the community must be pretty low. So the next stage in the war is on the horizon.
     
  19. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Also anecdotal evidence that an earlier lockdown would have saved thousands of lives. We dithered for 2 weeks after Italy took action and here are the consequences.
     
  20. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Saved lives now maybe, who knows where it leaves us in the long run. And I'm not still not at all sure we were set up for lockdown any sooner. The government basically waited until the public mood turned in favour of it and then jumped in like Troy Deeney into a two footed tackle as the crowd urges him into it. Nearly everyone liked watching it happen but the consequences won't be great.
     
  21. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The analogy works nicely. A well timed TD tackle is worth applause. If he goes in as late as the Government did, then lives may be unnecessarily lost.

    But compare Greece and the UK. Both in lockdown, facing similar challenges ahead. What is the negative for Greece (got its timing right) in having just over 100 dead at this point compared to our 20,000+?
     
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  22. another_mrlizard

    another_mrlizard Squad Player

    It's not enough, they invented gayness...
     
  23. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    It's true, we did.
     
  24. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Is Richard Branson after a bail out ?

    Trying to sell his Island to save Virgin ..
     
  25. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    Dreadfully sorry for everyone that has lost their lives, I believe a good way to see how successful the lockdown is going is to compare the reported deaths of today with the corresponding day last week, there were 737 deaths reported last Monday, therefore we are on the right path!
     
  26. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Love letters to the NHS, finding a pair of used shorts to auction and an online concert. However one thing many of these so called celebrities or stars (why they are called that beats me) are reluctant to do is actually place their hands in their pockets. Let's not forget that many of them are millionaires many times over.

    And as the Paradise Papers showed (sadly one of the journalists involved was murdered in Malta last year) many are engaged in tax evasion schemes and that includes the sporting fraternity. The sheer hypocrisy of some of these people beggars belief. From Lewis Hamilton and his buddies in Monaco lauding the NHS while not paying the taxes that fund such services. To Fat Sam Allardyce that paragon of virtue decrying the attacks on footballers or indeed Brangelina when they were a pair. Blathering on about world poverty and how you, yes you the member of the public should do your bit before they themselves splash out over a hundred million pounds on a luxury yacht.

    Think of all the good that could do for those in great need. While we don't want a witch hunt and you could argue if someone did dip their hands in their pockets to make a fair contribution given their wealth like Mr.McCartney (I strongly suspect the average person in the street gives more of their income as a percentage to charity than most of these people) and announced it then they would also get criticized. Just do the decent thing. Not the legally correct thing. The morally right thing. And the excuses they come up with. Mr.Hamilton when he ran off to Switzerland. Or Mr.Branson the other day. I do love the Virgin Islands for their beauty. Nothing to do with it being a tax haven of course.

    There are those on the other side of the coin like JK Rowling who have a conscience and should be applauded for it. And those philanthropists or individuals that could have made fortunes but gave away their designs and patents for free for the betterment of all. Philanthropy used to be fairly widespread in business and certainly owners who looked after their workers with care such as Cadbury for instance. It was a change from seeing newly arrived rural workers in the growing factories as mere numbers but it seems we have gone full cycle again for many industries.

    And clap for Boris ? Hypocrisy.


     
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  27. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    We knew PPE is going to be in short supply given the global race for it. We have had local firms all ready to go to make up the shortfall. For 2-3 weeks/ But no framework in getting raw materials to factories, no method of organizing local deliveries using couriers or the Army, taxis. How hard can it be to organize ? Matt Hancock and his cohorts are certainly far from being anywhere near a Beaverbrook or Johnson anywhere near a Churchill. Hancock has been a floundering dimwit for the most part.

    When you see what is happening in NZ for instance his BoJo's dithering has been costly.Not listening to scientific advice. But to Mr.Cummings his puppet master. Compared to Germany where science has led the response.

    As I have said before I think technocracies would be better models of governance. Not these stupid dogmatic ideologies pushing policy making from whatever part of the political spectrum. Politicians have been warned about the pandemic threat before certainly in the US. However facilities have been run down along with stocks of PPE. Not enough expansion of medical schools or consultancies.

    It is always useful to have a strategic reserve for any crisis. Germany for example. Here we are always fighting a losing battle at the best of times let alone during a pandemic scenario which is certainly not one of the worst that can be expected. As with the laughable planning for a nuclear war government has been shown to be clueless from the start making up policy on the hoof. There is no thinking for more than an electoral term in the politicians mind. No really long long term planning.

    So we are still getting coastal developments that will be inundated in future or require costly sea defences to maintain. No provision to emergency underground shelters should we get an atmosphere impact from a body from the solar system. Now some may laugh and indeed many MP's did so when Mr.Opik of all people tried to get more funding for the detection of near earth objects. Given the amount of devastation they can wreak you would think for the long term there would be a greater deal of contingency planning. Perhaps if the bolide that exploded over Siberia in 1908 has been just two hours later allowing the earths rotation to make London the target with thousands upon thousands of dead our thinking would be radically different.
     
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  28. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Utter morons. It's a hoax. It's against our rights.

    All encouraged by an equally thick moron. Ditto for Brazil. Not one thought for anyone else or that there is a reason these measures have been implemented. How the quiffed buffoon has been allowed to stir up trouble in predominantly Democrat held states is mind boggling. But American politics has been in the gutter for a long while.

    All about dynastic families, money and your cronies. It is essentially a late Roman republic riddled with corruption and nothing more than a plutocracy. Both sides of the divide are at it. From Senator Loeffler. Look her up and some on the Democrat side using information given at committee about the impact of the virus in February to make share trades. This all needs investigation because despite the usual protestations of innocence it all stinks to high heaven.
     
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  29. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    New Zealand is a good indicator now of the most successful strategy. Lockdown early, the first to emerge, with possibly the least damage. We dithered, we will be one of the last out with further economic consequences.
     
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  30. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Another study on the links between air pollution (in the form of NO2 ) and coronavirus:

    "of the coronavirus deaths across 66 administrative regions in Italy, Spain, France and Germany, 78% of them occurred in just five regions, and these were the most polluted"

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...y-be-key-contributor-to-covid-19-deaths-study
     
  31. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Nice to see the Trumpy Yanks have become pro-choice all of a sudden.
     
  32. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It will be very hard to make this impact policy. Our economy is the ultimate in tails wagging the dog. It needs queues of cars miles long heading to Bluewater and commuting misery to survive, apparently. No other options available.
     
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  33. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    But is it the pollution factor that increased deaths or the fact that these are the most densely populated with greater risk of onward transmission ?
     
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  34. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    Can you compare a country with 5 million people and a sparse population to countries with a dense population?

    Agree at the moment it looks like they got it right however we are not at the end, the virus has not been eliminated. There is no cure yet. Too early to say who has reacted correctly and who will be least damaged long term.
     
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