BBC2s Premier League Show

Some great shots of the fans and goals scored this season then just when you think there's a chance of some positive media attention presenters Wright and Yorath can't get their blinkered heads around the fact that Watford are actually doing rather well. Surely, Richarlison and Silva want to leave for bigger clubs and how can Watford fans possibly put up with all the comings and goings..I just wish they would stick to Arsenal so l don't have to watch this bile.

 

Good piece by Dublin at the training ground completely ruined by Wright spewing crap

 

Aside from the usual look how many managers they've had tosh all that Silva and Richarlison just here until the big boys coming knocking stuff, no **** Sherlock, that's what players and managers do at all but the biggest clubs. That's not knocking them, it's life, most of us would move to a new job at a bigger company for more money, better prospects etc.....

Presumably Ian Wright forgot that he moved from non league to Palace and then Arsenal? Suspect he would have gone to Barca or Real if they had coming knocking as well. What does he think most fans think, we are having a period of success, I for one am happy. Upgrading an Anya to a Richarlison is what happens when you are trying to grow and the PL money allows you to do it, of course we will have player turnover.

Thought it was a little mean to stick Richarlison in front of the camera though, looked a bit uncomfortable.

 

The only thing I used to watch on BBC was football but is now so woeful that now just pay my licence fee so I can watch all the sky channels that I subscribe too.

 

Didn't watch it but I wonder what the viewing figures are for a show like that.

There is so much access to everything nowadays outside of the bbc that there can only be a few of the older generation that still persist with football focus, motd and the like if this type if narrow minded shows that the beeb throw out.

This generation of bbc pundits probably know all to well that social media and the big channels are where it's at and that they are on borrowed time.

Their comments are generally laughable and ill-informed to the point of embarrassment, and the viewing figures of the next 10 years for this outdated type of broadcast will surely diminish rapidly.

 

They don't get what we're about and it will take years of success to change opinions. I don't care what wrightys opinion is. To me the club is still 'Watford' and we still retain our identity and I'm pretty sure 90% of our fans supported us before we made it to the EPL and will have the same opinion.

 

I actually enjoyed that. Richarlison seemed a nice humble young lad and Troy and Gomes showed why it's not just what they do on the pitch that makes them important parts of the squad.

Wright did his 'won't somebody think of the children' with his "I wonder what the fans think" BS. Doesn't he do 606? He knows what the fans think. He just cant get his tiny mind, like most of the pundits, around the idea that things have changed since he played and his moaning about the 'goings on' at Watford over the last 5 years and how it will never work have proved woefully wrong.

His statement that how can fans get behind players that obviously want to move on to other clubs was particularly ironic when they moved on to an Arsenal article straight after he said it.

 

What the blazes is he on about. Players at Arsenal and Liverpool also want to move on if Man City or Barca are interested.

 

I didn't watch it either (agree with Meh) but am a bit surprised at Wright as I have always thought he seemed relatively positive towards us when I have heard him on the radio.

 

The most shocking element of that programme was Gabby Logans Trumpton trousers

 

Ha yes, they looked my daughters Rainbows outfit.

 

In summary:

Dion: "Great bunch of lads here at Watford"

Gabby: "Yes but Watford fans will be disappointed that academy players like Jamie Hand were discarded in favour of Champions League finalists like Roberto Pereyra"

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My favourite bit was when the section with Dion Dublin was wrapping up with handshakes etc and Britos appeared in the background without warning. For a moment, I though he was going to go in ‘studs-up’ on the host of Homes Under The Hammer....

 

Lazy and ill informed journalism lifted by Deeneys frank and honest comments.

What a waste of taxpayers money.

 

I was watching Ray Donovan

 

I fink Ian Wright is a crap football pundit who gets far too much airtime.

 

I think its fair that Wright asked questions about how the situation is perceived by the fans. If he'd come on here in the second half of Walter's season, or Quique's, he probably would have felt his concerns were very justified, but, conversely, he would also have seen a lot of evidence supporting the idea of moving a coach on if they are not working out.

They do seem to have a misunderstanding of the club's intent when it comes to head coaches, mentioning we now have a coach that is likely to grow out of Watford. That, according to Scott Duxbury, is not a problem, indeed it is the club's intention.

Duxbury has said in the past that ideally a new coach would arrive, be successful, and move on with thanks when the time was right, and this is one of the reasons maintaining the infrastructure is important, not just because a coach may not work out. The 'philosophy' is not to just tie a coach to the club beyond their natural inclination, with a tasty contract and player purchases, but to have a coach that is here because we provide them with a platform to develop themselves to our mutual benefit.

If every new coach spent two successful years here and then went on to manage Barcelona, the club would be very happy indeed, even if the fans may end up a little frustrated. It is likely that it will take some fans just as long as the media to get used to such a non-conservative approach to coaches and indeed players, which, to revisit my first point, seems to make it fair for Wright to ponder how the fans see the changing club.

Unfortunately, finding the right coach has been an issue for us. Though I suspect the Premier League Show, thinking they were identifying a negative by recognising we now have a coach with ambitions beyond Vicarage Road, were unwittingly starting to grasp this side of the club's philosophy.

If the Beeb listened to their own 5-Live interview with Duxbury a couple of months ago, they would have heard him explain the policy in some detail. Mind you, 5-Live's football coverage is so dreadful I wouldn't be surprised if they listened to Talk Sport instead.

 

Horses for courses. I think Talk ***** talks *****.

 

I remember when Ian Wright presented game shows.

 

Good assessment.

 

We can say all we want about Ian Wright. Last week it was Paul Merson. Granted these guys aren’t the brightest individuals and fail to do any background research on Watford before giving their opinion. However, the narrative they peddle is the ‘Watford - no stability’ one for most pundits now. At least until we do something beyond just staying up. Then we change the narrative. And we will give them something else to talk about. If we qualify for Europe or win the FA Cup for example. Suddenly all the talk will be about that for a few years. Every club has something that pundits latch onto as it’s easier for them to turn up at a TV studio and say these things as opposed to sit at home and research the inner going-on’s of each club. Sure it’s annoying but by sacking our manager each season and seemingly looking unstable, we have created that as our narrative. Bournemouth are ‘small and plucky’, Leicester ‘a miracle’ etc etc. Leicester, even now still really only get talked about in terms of them winning the league but that team has been and gone and they are back to their natural level - but the story for the pundits doesn’t change until they do something else that takes that story away. These pundits aren’t paid to take everything into account and give a balanced view anymore. We know what we are doing as a club and as long as we keep improving, eventually we will give them something else to talk about.

 

I can see it now..... at the end of the season we finish 8th, on about 56 points and above the likes of West Ham, Southampton and Stoke. Silva will be rightly lorded, but will depart for a bigger team. The media will be saying; "Watford can't expect any loyalty from a manager", "Watford don't do enough to keep their manager and clearly don't value Silva" "more instability" ,"Watford should pay Silva £10m per season to keep him...poorly managed, poorly run" etc etc.

We will always be shot at. But just watch other teams start to look at our model and start to copy it over the next 3-4 years if we continue to have success. Our model is an intelligent evolution of the Director of football model that came in about 10 - 12 years ago from Italy and Spain, with the aim to reduce the managers responsibility and allowing him to concentrate purely on coaching the squad and preparing the players. Media, managers, ex players etc all scoffed at that model. No one in the media likes it when clubs, especially smaller ones like Watford outsmart the big clubs by doing something different and then daring to have some success with it.

 

The football punditry on the BBC and Channel 5 (for the inferior leagues) is pretty awful, but if you have a recorder then you don't have to listen to it. For years now I have simply watched the actual football, fast-forwarding through the verbal dross.

As for paying the licence fee to watch Sky subscription channels - well, each to their own I suppose, but without some of the BBC's programmes I would take my TV up to the tip. I certainly would not pay anything towards the Murdoch family.

 

Giving him a peerage when God got nothing seems a bit excessive to me.

 

I like to watch games at double speed. The passages of play actually look great and speeds up all the quiet passages.

It brings home how little of a football game is actually football being played.

 

Do you play Frere Jacques on your recorder to drown out the commentary?

 

Just watched it , the bit at the training ground was good but Ian wright is a miserable ****, I actually don't think he has anything against us, he is just a very very miserable ****

 

Your not wrong.

My problem with the Beeb is that they are condescending, and not just in sport either. They are patronising to anything they don't deem to be in the elite, and they suck up to those they consider their betters, and they seem to think everyone thinks the same as they do. Very Hyacinth Bucket, but unfortunately they have a level of control over a product I want access to, and it has serious negative effects on that access.

Talk Sports problem is different. They don't suck up to the top clubs, but they do idolise them, and rather than patronise the lesser teams, they just pay them very little regard. The positive thing about them here though, is that they are, generally, genuine when talk about the smaller clubs; their bulls pooh is up front and proud, but is mostly based on misguided ignorance, where as the BBC disdain for the subject matter, the old Football League show and their sickening FA Cup coverage, means they can barely hide the contempt, no matter how they dress it up.

I appreciate not everyone feels this way, but if someone switched off 5Live tonight it would be a long time before I would notice; and if Match of the Day was broadcast opposite extended HD highlights on pay per view, the quality of my footballing lifestyle would be improved ten fold, and I would not watch the Beeb again until the Doctor Who Christmas Special. If Talk Sport went west, I would genuinely miss it, crap though it can be.

 

Don't really care about any of it, just happened to wander in and it was on the telly. In the days of social media, to have Ian Wright keep saying "I'd love to know what Watford fans think" when he is always spouting off on Twitter, I found myself asking why he didn't ask them what they thought...

Lazy. "Ian, we're doing a piece about Watford". "OK I'll make something up".

 

Or most likely just reading off a script given to him.

 

I actually didn't mind Ian Wright's comments. Outside of GT and Elton we are probably best known for being THE family club so it probably is right to wonder how the fans feel about where the club is and where it is heading. We often talk about it on here.

He's hardly likely to look at the likes of Chelsea in respect of this, along with bigger clubs, as they are far more used to shipping in and out foreign players and managers. Our model is fairly unique even among the bigger clubs but especially for clubs of our size.

 

Fair enough: well put. I agree on the BBC TV football coverage (and hardly ever watch MOTD as a consequence) but less so about the radio, which I actually quite enjoy, and hadn't really noticed the approach you mention. I'm not sure I agree that this is a BBC issue in general - in the Politics threads ZZ is regularly accusing the BBC of being biased towards the Left which doesn't really tally with an elitist perspective - but that's a matter for discussion elsewhere.