I won’t comment on the video - I’ve seen too many doctored pictures and videos but, if true, then absolutely they should be tried if assassinating an innocent civilian. to answer your question…the war would end tomorrow if the hostages were handed back alive
Thanks for sharing a completely unverified video with completely wrong translations. Anyone guilty of war crimes deserves to be punished, I would say however I wouldn’t trust this video in the slightest. As for sleeping peacefully in our beds don’t worry, hundreds were raped, burned alive and murdered doing exactly this on October 7th. I’ve just got back from Kibbutz Be’eri and there is no punishment that is enough for those who participated, it was truly hell.
Punishment for those who committed such evil isn’t the issue. It’s the punishment for those who did not.
That’s entirely on Hamas. They could have built shelters with the billions they have stolen, instead they built tunnels to hide under schools. They could send their families to the tunnels now, instead they tie them to their legs as they shoot at the IDF and send them to roofs of building being shot from (I have seen these both first hand). They could let them evacuate, they shoot at those who do. Israel has a moral obligation to bring hostages back and make sure this can never happen again. Hamas have a moral obligation to fight away from the civilian population, they don’t want to.
Israel’s actions are on it. That’s the way of it. Anything else is carte blanche and no one has that in war.
It's not entirely on Hamas. A large part is, but how the IDF and Netanyahu choose to respond is a huge part. And it's a choice. Yes, they may have civilians tied to their legs. But does that give the IDF the right to say "**** it, kill em all"? Sounds like Arnaud Almric, bishop of Narbonne, when asked by one of his army commanders when taking the town of Beziers, "how will we know the Cathars from the Catholics?" "Kill them all, God will know his own." That, if you haven't come across it before, was one of the world's first genocides.
Funny as fugg watching everyone who "disagrees" with my posts fighting eachother One of you lot is dishonest , at least. Fake *****
Ah yes, you again. Keep dressing up the complete annihilation and murder of children as something other than barbaric and unfair. You don’t need to be educated to see what’s happening and nothing you can say will convince me otherwise.
You could start by having the ******* respect to get the number of hostages right, mentioning the 1200 raped and murdered, understanding that 12000 rockets have been fired SINCE October 7th and not including 13000 Hamas Terrorists in the death toll in your opening post. Of course any civilians dying in is horrific, I have never said otherwise. On October 7th Hamas invaded and declared war on Israel, this is not a small militia, this is the governmening body. Hamas have vowed to invade and attack again and again. Hamas are the biggest ******* evil of the palestinian people, even now after all the death and destruction they've brought, they continue to steal aid and shoot at those attempting to evacuate. But given they have said they will continue to repeat October 7th, continue to fire rockets and refuse to release the hostages - there is quite literally nothing Israel can do but continue. Unless you have an alternative? It's very easy to say from the comfort of the UK that we need an immediate ceasefire, but you haven't got friends who were murdered, you don't have family living 3Km from terrorists who vow to murder the next opportunity they get and you don't have friends and family being beaten and raped in tunnels. Even if it was one hostage its sufficient grounds to go in and get them back. I mourn every civilian death in Gaza as I would one in Israel, I want peace, I want to live side by side and I want a two state solution. But none of this can happen until Hamas surrender/agree to a deal/are defeated.
So the defence force with a 25 billion dollar budget is the victim here? Does the behaviour of Israeli soldiers scream scared or defence? https://x.com/ajplus/status/1766980355037319305?s=46&t=7Yv_nJw6uogbrZ4r12V2_A What did this poor old man do? https://x.com/nournaim88/status/1766186425198764468?s=46&t=7Yv_nJw6uogbrZ4r12V2_A It’s fine to have your reality but let’s not present it as the only truth.
Biden: top US Democrat made 'good speech' when he called Netanyahu major obstacle to peace US president Joe Biden said that Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer made a “good speech” on Thursday when Schumer called for new Israeli elections and criticized Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. “He made a good speech,” Biden said to reporters, adding, “He expressed serious concerns, shared not only by him but by many Americans.” He added that his staff were notified about the speech in advance by Schumer, Reuters reports.
BRUSSELS, MARCH 19, 2024 — Left-wing members of the European Parliament tried to shut down a hearing at the European Parliament this morning that will feature Hillel Neuer presenting findings concerning UNRWA ties to terrorism. After they failed, the MEPs are now trying to force the removal of cameras from the hearing, to prevent Neuer's testimony from being broadcast in public. Meanwhile, UNRWA itself is refusing to participate in today's debate about its use of EU funds. The Working Group on External Financial Instruments (WG EFIs) of the European Parliament's foreign affairs committee will be meeting today to address recent allegations against UNRWA staff, including questions around the agency’s impartiality and reputation, as well as possible repercussions from the current investigations. “I have arrived in Brussels at the invitation of the European Parliament to present evidence tomorrow concerning UNRWA's longstanding refusal to take seriously the widespread encouragement and promotion of terrorism by its school teachers, principals and other staff,” said Hillel Neuer, executive director of the Geneva-based United Nations Watch, an independent non-governmental organization that monitors the world body. “I was astonished to learn that members of the European Parliament representing the Left Group, the Greens/EFA and the Socialists and Democrats first tried to stop my testimony and the hearing, and when that failed, they have now initiated removal of cameras tomorrow to prevent my words from going public,” said Neuer from Brussels. “My understanding is that the removal of cameras is an extremely rare occurrence for this kind of hearing when the invited witness has not made the request, but rather the members of the working group of the foreign affairs committee.” “Given that EU voters are paying more than 100 million Euro a year to UNRWA, one would think the taxpayers have a right to know how their funds are being used, and what they are funding. Forcing evidence to be hidden contradicts the basic democratic principles of transparency and accountability.” "United Nations Watch calls on the MEPs from the Left Group, the Greens/EFA and the Socialists and Democrats to reconsider their position, and to allow our testimony to be available to the public.” UNRWA Refusing to Attend Today's European Parliament Hearing The European Parliament had officially informed Neuer that an UNRWA representative was invited as well, in order to “continue an open and transparent dialogue on the matter.” In the end, however, UNRWA has declined to send any speaker to today's debate. “I am surprised and disappointed, as I was looking forward to engaging with UNRWA about our findings of widespread and systematic promotion of terrorism by their staff, including a Telegram chat group of 3,000 UNRWA teachersin Gaza that celebrated the Hamas atrocities of October 7th,” said Neuer. “If, as UNRWA insists, they take all allegations seriously, then why are they afraid to discuss them? Why are their surrogates trying to shut down the hearing, and now forcing the removal of cameras to block any public broadcast? What are UNRWA and its apologists trying to hide?” UNRWA director Philippe Lazzarini travels often to meet with governments, and UNRWA has a designated lobbyist in Brussels, Marta Lorenzo, to solicit the EU's annual funding. The agency has not yet commented on why it declined an invitation to participate in a European Parliament hearing on how EU funds are being spent by UNRWA. For 2021 to 2023, the EU's contribution to UNRWA's budget amounted to €281 million.
The UN Security Council vote demanding an immediate ceasefire and hostage release being pretty much ignored overnight as fighting and bombardment continues. So what will the US do now it has taken the first step in showing its public disapproval?
In fairness, that was probably the most high profile step but not the first. There was already a break with the Israelis last week when Chuck Schumer stood in the Senate and gave a speech which partly blamed Netanyahu for what's happening and called for a general election. Which was then followed up by Biden publicly endorsing it as a 'good speech'. All seems like baby steps to us but for US / Israeli political relations these are earthquakes. It'll make no difference sadly. On a slightly different tack I found this evil piece of work quite shocking the other evening when she was on the news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815 I wonder how much she speaks for the average Israeli?
After reading that, I am even more non-plussed as to why the Palestinians would ever consider turning to such as Hamas.
she’s about as representative of Israelis as a Palestinian is of representing the Arab viewpoint when cheering 9/11 and no the ceasefire won’t work whilst a) rockets are still being fired into Israel B) the remaining hostages, many of who will be dead or unaccounted for by now, are not released C) tunnels that can be used to reenact Oct 7th are still being used free the hostages and guarantee Israel’s future security and then people can genuinely discuss ceasefires
because a) Hamas has retained all the billions of dollars that could have been used to better their lives B) Hamas wants an ongoing war C) since the concept of a Palestinian was created by Arafat in the 60s an ongoing war has not benefitted one person in Gaza
C is highly contentious and dubious. There are loads of historical references to Palestine and Palestinians but you could argue it was of less importance to the various folk who lived across the whole area until they found they could not live in large parts of it anymore. Arab nationalism was surely an inevitable consequence of the creation Israel. I’m not sure what is to be gained by framing things like this other than to render Palestinian claims illegitimate. They are the Palestinians now for sure.
The problem isn’t really if she speaks for most Israelis, I’m sure she does not. It’s whether there is sufficient will among other Israelis to stop her and her like.
The Romans renamed the province Judea to Syria Palestina. They did so as a punishment and to obliterate the link between the Jews and the province Many think that the term Palestine refers only to the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea but actually the term “Palestine” was used without a precise geographic definition where Arabs lived alongside Jews who lived alongside Christians etc. No precise definition existed for Palestine because none was required. Since the Roman era, the name lacked political significance. No nation ever had that name. No currency. No leader. it only became significant once Israel conquered Gaza and West Bank in the 1967 Six Day War The significance is that every faction that has “governed” the Arabs living in Gaza since 1967 have never had their peoples best interests at heart. They have not invested the trillions of dollars in aid that has been pumped into the region to better the Arab lives. They have always chosen war
of course not. But the worlds response is so one sided it will not do any good…Israel must do this, Israel must do that etc with no reference to Hamas. Especially any garbage that comes from the UN
Linked, not dependent on, which is quite frankly ******* disgusting. If they want a ceasfire they can return our people and surrender.
But this means absolutely nothing if they don't return the hostages, it's never going to happen. The world should use it's voice to call for the return of the hostages as that's literally the only way this ends - aimlessly calling for only Israel to implement a ceasfire for a War we didn't start is a complete waste of energy. I have met with people who were held hostage, and I have friends who's Brothers and Sister are currently being abused daily there. How on earth can you suggest we just stop trying to get them back? How on earth can you suggest we let Hamas continue to exist as our neighbours, after they vowed to do this again and again. It's completely illogical and I can sure as hell gurantee no one would have this opinion if they were the ones in our position.
