Mike is a reliable reporter for us. Gonna look wonderful when we lose Sarr and Suarez and finish midtable, but do some "outstanding business" along the way.
This is why I think the deals we're doing now are terrible. We may get the big sale price with Sarr, but then would have lost Suraez, Estupinan, Doucoure and a few others along the way. It makes little sense selling so many players for low fees, then sell Sarr for £40m. These other sales can only be justified if we have big sell-ons and we keep Sarr. If Sarr goes as well then I think fans will be rightly be asking difficult questions of the owner.
United were always going to enquire as the window on them getting Sancho gets smaller. But make no mistake - remove all talks of fee’s etc. If we lose Suarez and Sarr in the space of this week, and that’s just terrible business. There has to be a trade-off somewhere and we can’t just sell everyone. Selling some has to mean others stay, even if they’d rather move.
Not really bothered about these sell ons and loan fees - we either need cash now or nothing. Promotion is worth 10 times what we potentially would make off any loan fee / sell on clause.
Its not just the finances - it is that we will struggle to bring in players of a similar quality, especially late in the window.
I’m not that bothered about that - the moment relegation was confirmed, we had to accept that quality players would leave and be replaced with lesser quality. But Sarr, Suarez AND Estupinan along with likely departures for Deulofeu, Pereyra, Capoue etc...that would be extremely hard to accept. At some point the clubs foot has to come down surely?
Sell all our talent, receive under true value fees, then promotion is highly unlikely and you'll not have the money to rebuild. We have to go up this year. Our squad is currently good enough to achieve it, but not if we sell all the decent players. I would say, this season is all or nothing. Fail to go up this year, then I think it will take us years to get back. The Championship is a graveyard for failed Premier League clubs.
OK, now this would be concerning. If it's just an enquiry at this stage, surely it's nothing too advanced yet? Surely they'll exhaust all avenues with Sancho before chasing Sarr seriously?
Reaction from some Utd fans on Twitter: No, no no no no nooooo Sarr is relegated player ffs Sancho or we riot
It seems a remarkable step down from Sancho if they do go for Sarr. I like the lad but of the two I know who I would rather have all day long. Does Sarr really slot into that United team and make them contenders? Definitely not. Does Sancho, probably not but it gets them a lot closer. For 50m I think there are more accomplished players out there, I don’t understand this move by United.
No, if they want to go or someone wants them, they go. If that means we end up with the side which faced Newport as our first 11, then so be it, unless one or two of them think they should be playing elsewhere, in which case, we plumb new depths.
I'm pretty sure that isn't the trade off that's on the table though. I suspect it's more like - if we manage to make enough from player sales, and if there's enough time left in the window, some money will be made available for limited incomings. It'll be a modest amount compared to whatever we've managed to rake in because of the debt vacuum sucking every loose fiver down the drain and the fact the owner has no real cash of his own to pump in. Retaining anyone on high wages through choice isn't going to be an option available to Ivic/Giaretta, though I suspect the incomings might enable us to absorb a season with a couple left on the books as long as we can coax them into actually playing in return for their wages. Plan B is likely to be if we manage to make enough from player sales to service the debt, and even if there's no time left in the window, we'll take that instead.
Will be outstanding business when it happens. We will finish mid table and all our talent will want to leave, but will have got a sweet £15m in profit.
For me it’s pretty black and white - seems fairly evident that Sarr isn’t agitating for a move. But we have been told his advisors are constantly engaging with Gino - so perhaps there is a gentleman’s agreement on his departure. But if Suarez goes for the rumoured fee of €15m and Capoue will defo go given the clubs comments, that’s the immediate financial black hole filled going by the numbers bandied around on here...so if Sarr gets sold as well, it’s because we have an agreement he can go, or the finances are worse than we think. I just can’t fathom how selling him makes sense otherwise. Even if we have an agreement with him, I don’t see how it makes sense - at some point the club has to look out for it’s own ambitions on the pitch. The more I think about it - we sell Sarr and that confirms for me there’s a dire financial situation that @Jumbolina has often alluded to.
Wait until we swoop in on deadline day and buy Sancho. Gino will have his cigar out. "I love it when a plan comes together."
Oh yeah, of course, but if he does go there, you'd hope we could get some decent standard winger on loan like we did in the midfield with Garner
One thing is for sure, whatever price we sell him for, it'll be lauded as a good deal and something the club had no other choice with.
Well least we saw Sarr once.. Not sure Man U fans will be too happy if this it their big summer signing ! And we'll be pretty gutted too. Leaves us with just Pedro for any pace up front.
I have a lot of sympathy with that. Except, much of the so called talent never played for us and clearly did not want to contribute to a promotion attempt. For me losing Capoue will be telling. Dacoure, looked past his Watford best and needed a move to rejuvenate his enthusiasm. If we had stayed up he would have gone anyway. squads evolve all the time, and I think there was an argument to retain Mariappa and sell on Dawson, but the defence in the Championship looks more competitive and better coached. Ngakia looks a good recruit. And I firmly believe last year it was our lack of goals that really was our downfall. The other point is we need to be competitive this year among the top 4 Championship squads, comparisons with what you might have had or will need in the Premier League, in the sense are not relevant.
Murray and Deeney have outstanding pace Both exceptionally slow. I hate to think about Sarr leaving tbh; although even had we stayed up I'd expected he would be gone within a year.
Shh!! Our rivals will work out that not selling your best players, irrespective of the interest from clubs in top European competitions, and ignoring the club’s perilous finances is the best way to promotion. It’s such a fail-proof plan - and you just post it in plain language on an open forum. Don’t you think rival clubs will be looking at our forum? At least sell the idea for billions!?
Selling Doucs, Estupinan, Suarez, Capoue, Del etc is all understandable if annoying. Losing Sarr would be too much.
You seem to have totally missed the point of the post. I am saying we need the cash now as a result of our financial situation, and the potentially better long term options of loans / sell on fees are less attractive, both financially and from a footballing sense.
I agree - I do think our defence is looking better coached and the team looks to actually have a plan and a shape. However, that needs to be caveated by the fact we have probably played 3 of the weaker sides in the division. How we perform when we come up against some better sides will be a more important test. Personally don't really see what we have achieved by replacing Mariappa by Sierralta, but maybe he will be better than I think.
