Walter Mazzarri - Ex Manager

Get the Huddersfield manager in.

 

I don't disagree but it is a fairly obvious statement. We had word worse players but played better football possibly because of the standard we were at!

 

Most of that £70m has been injured most of the time

 

Still played ugly hateful footbal when they weren't...that's the point.

 

I'm a supporter so continue to go whatever is happening and I've seen a heck of a lot worse than we're currently experiencing.

 

He's gorgeous, but it would be murder...

 

So have I but it was different back then, so step down off your high horse.

 

It's much easier when you find peace with that concept.

 

Not sure that's the case. Leicester and Man Utd, which are the two stand out results from early in the season had most players fit and the football was far from ugly

 

Bye then.

Name a newly-ish promoted team, or even any midtable team that is never in threat from relegation and also consistently plays an entertaining brand of football.

Saints have almost been in the top tier for half a decade now.
West Brom aren't known for their entertaining football and are only now starting to push on.
Stoke were forced to watch dirge for the first few years of PL life.
Swansea were excellent but I doubt you'd be happy if you'd be watching them this season.
Bournemouth try to play but have 3 points from their last EIGHT league games.

This is the price of success. Stabilization is rarely a thrilling ride. We're consolidating in the top division, playing boring but largely effective football with experienced, unflashy players. You can see we're building for the future by bringing in younger talents (Kabasele, Berghuis, Success, Niang) and if the plan works, you'll be seeing what you wish for in the next couple of seasons. Hopefully you're still eligible for tickets by then, after boycotting.

 

Problem is I want to be passionate and in love with the team but Mazzarri's making that extremely difficult.

 

Yes indeed. This.

Abysmally worse. Desperately worse. Depths of amateurish worse.

Hornetgags - how long have you been a Hornet? It can't have been very long, otherwise you would have started finding "other stuff to do on a Saturday" years ago. Do you have a season ticket? Can I have it?

 

There is an awful lot to be addressed in the summer ... again the question is - is it our players or manager here's my assessment

Manager - learn English please for a start - in fairness to WM the starting 11 has by and large been similar to last year due to injuries I think the inconsistent team line ups and need to change formation to fit personnel has really hindered our progress. I think we need consistency this summer and would give WM the benefit of sizeable doubt and see what he can do for the first 6-8 games next season - if it remains like this we need to act fast get him out and give the new guy time to asses the squad before Jan transfer window.

Players- I think on paper and all fit the first 11 is decent - we miss peraya badly as he would help our ball retention and creativity especially now we have Zarate the and cleverly. Niang and success are inconsistent but potential to be superb for us - assuming we can make niang permanent. Now I start to struggle janmaat looks decent when fit by he needs to either get properly fit. Prodl is ok and Gomes is good but aging. For me the following need offloading - Capoue - thanks but we can't carry you waiting for 1 good game in 8. Bahrain - thanks again but not athletic enough or good enough with the ball. - doucoure - just not good enough. Britos thanks but not good enough. Zuniga, Dja dja, pantsamillion, arlauskis, Sinclair not good enough or injured all the time. Holebas your time is done too I'm afraid. Okaka and Cathcart are bench warmers only now and part of the squad but not starters.

Recruitment - 2 strikers who can run behind and like ball to their feet ( only reason I say 2 is because 1 is bound to get injured) 2 energetic ball winning midfielders who can pass and keep possession. 2 central defenders at least 1 ball playing and one with pace, left back and right back and 2 goalkeepers 1 as no.1 and the other as a 3rd choice. - will cost around £100m (£30m on strikers, £25m on midfielders, £20m on central defenders £12m on the LB and RB and £12m on Gks) I honestly think to move up a level to be on a par with stoke and Southampton etc that's what we need to do .... it all sounds so easy if we get the right players .... nathan aka would be a start as would begovic - the rest I haven't a clue at the moment !!

 

Takes a while to build a relationship so maybe we just have to give him some time. We're not in any danger this season which considering the injuries is a decent achievement. We have some promising players in the squad but it does need improving obviously but we're heading in the right direction having stayed up for two years. Trouble is people want it right now rather than building everything slowly and sensibly

 

I think the Premier League makes it extremely difficult. Midtable mediocrity is tricky place to entertain from.

 

Disagree that people want it all now. Win draw or lose I want to watch good football and be entertained.

Disagree also we're obviously heading in the right direction. The type of football being served up is as poor as I can recall in the last 10 years. I don't think I've ever seen in 40 years less tactical nounce or lack of intervention and game management from the bench.

 

'Bye then'...a response fitting of a 12 year old...well done.

Southampton had Adkins, then Pocchettino, then Koeman and now Puel...all advocates of playing football. Bad example.
Stoke under Pulis was always dirge...another bad example.
West Brom under Pulis...see above...
Swansea under Clement are playing some really good stuff...because they made a change at the helm to a manager who wants to play footballand motivates his team.
Bournemouth got a point at Old trafford with 10 men - how did we get on with 11?

Bringing in younger talent is pointless if they're going to get neck ache watching the ball in the air all the time. What you don't seem to get is the 'STYLE OF PLAY' which you conveniently ignored at the strike up of the conversation.

I would be more forgiving if Mazzarri was trying to play football - come rain or shine - don't care if we get tonked once in a while at least he's trying to get them to play football - not lump it everytime. Even with the injuries and lesser players, if we're still trying to play football, then he'd have my support. He doesn't, he's played the same way all season and with the injuries he's playing the same way - lump it long.

I, and many others, have had enough -I just can't stomach it anymore. The first half against Arsenal was fantastic, but we haven't seen that replicated. We hadn't played for 2 weeks before West Ham with Capoue saying they needed a rest. Well it looks like they've been playing back to back games for 3 weeks.

So, what you want me to say is you're a better fan than me? Well if it makes you feel better, you can have that, you're a better fan than me....well done.

 

Probably longer than you, my first game was in 1974...sorry to burst your bubble.

 

HG, what I'm saying is that to survive comfortably in the PL and to play fast, attractive football at the same time is a very difficult feat to achieve. If our current situation is too much for you to bear, then that's your prerogative, you crack on. Not sure why you'd waste your energy on here if you were *that* disconnected from the team though.

 

I'm tired of this season, and am tired of the fighting between the Mazzarri in and Mazzarri out camps. I don't like Mazzarri and have made no secret of this, but perhaps this really is just what we are now.. A boring midtable side. I can definitely see myself falling out of love with football in the next couple of years. Perhaps it's already started.

 

Not so much about being entertained, more about trying to keep the ball for more than 3 seconds and then launching it and losing it. Don't think you need a Pro Licence to coach that...actually you do...bad example.

 

This is how I see it, lower Mid table sides get some good shock results/performances but also lose games they may expect to win. That 4 game spell last year was abnormal and created unrealistic expectations, and makes us look back on that first half of the season with rose tinted specs. Not that I'm saying we shouldn't aim higher, of course we should, but the priority is staying up, even if points and position is less than last year. 2 steps forward, 1 back.

 

You must have missed the early nineties then.
The first two or three or even four years is about staying in the division and building some blocks. Foundations are there now having stayed up for the first two years and now we can push on. To play football like Southampton did you need players who are capable of this. Unfortunately we don't have many and two of them won't play again this season

 

That may or may not be the case, however when Southampton came up, they replaced Adkins with Poch and there was some backlash, but Southampton were great to watch under a coach with no English and no experience in England...hence why Spurs poached him.

I waste my energy because Watford's in my blood, being a fan also means you can dissent.

 

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I don't think we should hang our hat on Berghuis coming back. Watching the Dutch league games on tv Berghuis still appears the same old 'headless chicken' doing the same thing, going down the wing, cutting in on his left foot otherwise bumbling around. His head will be turned by a shiney title winning medal and Feyenoord will want to keep such a side together so will buy him. He's not coming back and I would guess he doesn't want to, so stich them up for as much cash as we can.

 

And also means you bail on the team when we're 13th in the Premier League because it's not to your required standard?

 

Adkins played football, Poch came in and thy rocketed...the point being they replaced the coach.

Stoke repaced Pulis with Hughes, who again tries to play football - hate him, but he plays football.

When we played Swansea in October, who looked more like relegation candidates? The makings a of a decent team were there, just needed the right coach...something we suffer from.

We drew with Bournemouth.

 

I have watched Watford for well over 50 years and have seen better and worse managers and teams than we have now. Mazzarri? He's average, he's been unlucky with injuries but I don't think they are the difference between us playing decent football and the boring stuff Maz dishes out. No manager has ever been able to stop me watching Watford (Bassett included but he did push me close) and I am not about to start now. However we no longer owe a manager any loyalty; that concept largely disappeared from football a while ago. If the Pozzos can find a better manager in the summer good because I wont miss Maz one bit.

 

You completely ignored what I said about supporting Mazzarri if he tried playing a certain way.

 

[FONT=&quot]If anyone thinks that we were unlucky today then you are deluded. Continuous hoof ball to Deeney is where we are at. Even my sons Sunday League youth team play more attractive football than this drivel. There training sessions must last all of ten minutes coaching this mess. We are unorganised, slow and predictable. Get ready for a relegation battle. If you think otherwise then your watching this tosh through yellow tinted glasses.[/FONT]

 

I don't think anybody has said we were unlucky. We are not in a bloody relegation battle

 

Do you honestly believe that? Next time out we play Palace who are one place above the bottom three; if they beat us they will be three points behind us. How close to relegation fight do we need to be before we are in it?