Watford 0-2 Wolverhampton Wanderers - 11/09/2021

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by SkylaRose, Sep 3, 2021.

  1. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    We won’t get a premier league quality manager. Anyone with their head screwed on will know we can’t afford a prem quality squad and they will just get a black mark on their CV. The days of proven prem quality players like Deeney, Gray, Hughes and Chalobah are gone.
     
  2. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Xisco is not the height of what we can or should expect from a manager. He's a complete nobody. A chancer with almost zero experience and even less tactical nous.

    He served a purpose last year by simply getting a good squad of Championship players motivated and playing for eachother, but now we need far more than that.

    I'm also not sure if you're joking with your line about proven Prem quality and then listing those players. I presume you must be.
     
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  3. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    What seem very clear from the comments on here, the WO and media pundits is we are simply too slow in possession, painfully slow.
    This allows teams to get organised and play their desired tactics.
    Our pedestrian play is made even more painful but the fact that we are toothless upfront.
    If you don't have a striker then teams don't fear you and the defenders have to do as they please.
    Sarr, it seems can't be bothered and that was always going to be a possibility.
    3 pts from 4 games, 3 defeats in a row with no goals scored.
    We all knew that relegation was the probable outcome this season.
    If we fail to get 4 pts from the next two games then Xisco's tenure could be at an end.
    The next Manager will have a lot to do to save the season.
    I have never hidden my view on here that relegation will be the end result, but l'd like yo see us at least going down with a fight.
    Next game is a big one.
    Enjoy.
     
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  4. foxywfc

    foxywfc Reservist

    It’s 4141 defending 433 attacking


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  5. Nelson

    Nelson Academy Graduate

    As well as some poor individual performances, it was the ineptitude of our tactics that was particularly worrying.
    Wolves’ high press was well trailed beforehand yet we looked surprised by it and also had no plans to move the ball around it. All game our passing was laboured and lacked any zip. As a result we never moved the ball ‘between the lines’ - this was in stark contrast to Wolves.
    Lastly I simply could not understand the King substitution at the time and I still can’t now. A terrible decision. We lost an outlet and a focal point and we were disappointing from that point onwards.
     
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  6. IRB

    IRB THe artist formally know as ImRonBurgundy?

    Said to my brother and dad on the way to the game that today would be a good measure of where we are at - game against mid table opposition at home with a close to full strength starting 11 available

    Makes the result and performance even more concerning IMO. We didn’t look competitive or cohesive at all and Wolves won pretty comfortably.

    6 points from the next 2 would certainly get things back on track but I can’t shake the feeling that Xisco continues to look well out of his depth and will almost certainly be gone after the next international break
     
  7. magyarorszag

    magyarorszag Squad Player

    Not sure what people expect from a squad filled with free transfers and whoever the **** we could get hold of. We're just like a new MLS team thats just had a few players thrown together with 1 or 2 marquee players
     
  8. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    At least we haven't lied catastrophically about how many designated players we're employing #silverlinings
     
  9. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Lack of aggression, spirit and work rate is concerning to a degree. What was present against Villa has been absent apart from the second half against Spuds. We have pace and skill upfront but we need to get the ball out there quicker and more accurately. So slow back to front at times and the final ball disappointing or indeed passes to no one.

    No one attacking the box either most of the time the ball was delivered. One of the few times we did and Sarr should have an assist King was on his heels. We need to be more positive and get on the front foot. No team likes being pressed or attacked as with Villa. Yes Villa were not on their mettle perhaps but it does not excuse the lack of application against the likes of Brighton and Wolves who are not the greatest sides in the world with all due respect although they have their superstars like Trincao.
     
  10. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    It’s no different to our first season though, we had dross like Diamanti and Ibarbo in the squad last time around. The difference this time is we don’t have someone to make those players better then the sum of their parts and actually use tactics to defeat the opposition.
     
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  11. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    From where I sit – level with 18-yard box at the Vicarage Road end – it was apparent just how effective Wolves were at making it difficult for Watford to play out from the back in the second half. I obviously didn't have the equivalent vantage point in the first half so couldn't really see precisely what they were doing before the break but after half-time they just gradually and quite subtly reduced the space and the options when Bachmann, WTE and Sierralta were trying to play out from restarts.

    It caused problems immediately and as a result Watford were the architects of their own downfall to a great degree. After about an hour, shortly after King went off, Bachmann hit one long (which Dennis won in the air, although the ball went to a Wolves player). With the passing options reduced and smart pressing in midfield by Wolves, Watford couldn't retain possession in their own half, let alone work the ball wide or forward very well. From where I was sat it felt like wave after wave of pressure – either from Traore down the wing or from floated crosses that Ngakia or Rose put out for corners. It was a slow suffocating effect and in the end Watford ran out of air and the inevitable mistake came. Disappointing, because it was a peculiar type of sustained pressure that didn't give us much chance of hitting them on the break. Quite impressive how Wolves did it, really. Penned us in without over-committing men forward or getting caught out of position.
     
  12. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Your moniker may well have to change I am afraid. ;):(
     
  13. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Basically this. Operation book balance is now half complete and maybe we'll be able to get back up and invest next season.
     
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  14. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Two well matched teams and for about 75 minutes an enjoyable game. The first goal was always going to swing it decisively. Danny Rose was outstanding - are those obsessing about his weight all former slimmers of the year? Not sure if having a player who causes the crowd to 5h1t themselves every time he's on the ball as captain is a good thing.
     
  15. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Well, it's quite hard to enjoy watching the defensive half of the team struggle so badly in their attempts to move the ball up the pitch. It's weird – this passing-to-central-defenders-on-the-edge-of-the-six-yard-box business started a season and a bit ago and I genuinely can't remember what teams used to do from goal kicks before the rule change but it surely wasn't as rubbish to watch as this.
     
  16. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    I’m 40, 6’1 and 12 stone. I’ve got a visible six pack and nobody is paying me £50k+ per week and giving me my entire working week to achieve it.
     
  17. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Phwoaarrr
     
  18. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Kick it long to a target man with a secondary striker. Which we used to do with effect. Or have players that can play the ball out from deep. You need to switch the ball quicker or have midfield options dropping to provide points of triangulation. The players at the back are too slow to do it and the midfield did not drop back to offer themselves enough.

    We can do it. We did it in parts against Villa and Spuds but the press was not that severe. It is something the best teams do with ease. Watching Venezuela against Argentina the back four for Argentina knocked it about for fun even doing heading triangles. TE is incapable, Sierralta is better but still not the best which is a real issue.
     
  19. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Pictures please.... ;)
     
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  20. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    The King substition knackered us, the ball didn't stick. Needed more from the midfield who was too similar.
     
  21. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Neither was Howe last time I looked. He’s rightly poorly regarded by Watford folk (other than he can coach forward play) and he would quickly run out of goodwill. No thanks.
     
  22. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    I know I am, for one; I can upload my rosette if proof is required.
     
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  23. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    A side issue and it was nice to remember a club employee but thought we were going to have a minutes silence for the anniversary of 9-11 like Palace did ?
     
  24. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    We've seen it all before. This has all the hallmarks of a team without a hope of staying up.

    But, is it any wonder? We've been so underinvested that somewhere along the line you cannot continue to defy the odds. Quality does cost money I'm afraid. It looks like we thought we knew better than anyone else and Poundland is the place for all your Premier League needs

    Well it's not. I don't want to knock the owner too much as we have to realise we are a small club at the very elite level, but we've got to give it a bit of a go. Performances like today and at Brighton destroy any hope we might be good enough. Villa looks like a fluke now. Dennis' goal should have been saved, Sarr's goal took a massive deflection, and a wonder goal from Cucho. All our luck came in the first 70 minutes of a new season. Since that time we've played around 300 minutes without finding the net. We've gifted opponents 5 of the 7 goals we've conceded with inexplicable individual errors. But they are predictable errors from error-prone defenders.

    So, it's not all Xisco's fault. It's the guy at the top. He sets the budget and allows us to sign that much needed striker or centre back. It's going to be another hard lesson as finances will be hit hard again with another relegation. From what I've seen today, we have no chance of staying up. It's just not possible. We are so off the required level, that I genuinely feel Derby's 11 point haul is under threat. It's the only sh1te record the Pozzo's haven't achieved after all.

    Xisco will be sacked, that's inevitable. Maybe a new coach will get more from this squad, and it does have some good elements. But we don't have a striker who will score goals, and we don't have Premier League defenders. That won't change. But, with what we have, we are underachieving, on performance levels. The owner will know that and this is what will drive him to push the button. Right now the finger has pressed the amber alert button. Lose at Norwich (which we will) then it will be full red alert.

    But to leave on a positive note......Danny Rose played well.
     
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  25. scummybear

    scummybear Reservist

    Bachmann's confidence is low at the moment, last season the team performances helped him have an impressive amount of clean sheets and he was growing every match as a result. Now his confidence looks rock bottom, especially his distribution, and Xisco's genius plan? Get him to pass it out short every time. All that happens is the opposition gets drawn towards our box, so when possession is lost they're only 30 yards max from our goal and we're put under unnecessary pressure. At the start of the first half we were under constant pressure and all of our goal kicks went short. He then decided to kick one long and what happened? We won the flick on, got on the break and had our first attack of the match. It's almost as if our playing at the back is ineffective...

    I can't understand how Munoz can't see these things. Sure he's inexperienced, but they're analysing data from every match so it's not just inexperience, it's either arrogance or ignorance. I'm done, I'm firmly in the Munoz out camp now. He's clueless. Make the change before it's too late - if we'd have got Pearson one or two matches sooner we'd have stayed up last time, don't waste time giving this idiot more chances.
     
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  26. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    This seems rather unfair, to be honest - he kept a distinctly Championship defence in the Prem for five consecutive seasons. The only real black mark against him is his use of money, which is obviously abysmal. So, a match made in heaven for us!

    (Also, in reality, he spent loads on dross but also bought some decent bargains and very decent players for our level - Ake and Danjuma, to name but two, so it is as always partly truth and partly stretched out perception - we're in a bit of a glass house ourselves if we compare our records, I'd imagine).
     
  27. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    This about sums it up 100% correct. We've cleared the excess wages. Signed a couple of rough diamonds, a couple of battlers and a couple of squad fillers. Played 4 and been competitive in 2 and (just about a half) . This is as good as this squad is going to get but we've balanced the books in the process.
     
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  28. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    That part where he scuttled out to the very edge of the area under some pressure telling the defenders to leave it, only to realise at the last possible moment (i.e. far too late) that he wasn't going to make it in time and that the ball was by that point actually outside his area, did not inspire a huge amount of confidence, it's fair to say.
     
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  29. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Yes the last bit was tongue in cheek. We won’t get a high pedigree manager to replace Munoz though.
     
  30. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Left as soon as the sema sub was made. A decision that perfectly illustrates the tactical nous of the fool in charge.

    That being said, the first half was even and we looked pretty good at times. It gives me some hope that when we do finally flush the terd on the sidelines and replace him with some stern Italian tactical genius, the new guy will be able to get a tune out of this squad. But he MUST be sacked soon.

    Rose our MOTM.

    Bachmann awful again. And the shots he saved would have been made by a non league keeper before anyone pipes up.
     
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  31. Chiswell

    Chiswell Academy Graduate

    I know what you mean but for me the problem with the substition was that Cucho was put out on the left and Dennis was moved into the middle. IF (and it's a big 'if') Cucho is to score goals he needs to be in the centre and Dennis needs to be out wide - he runs all day and he covered a lot of ground defensively helping Rose before he was pushed inside.
     
  32. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Wolves were clean through twice before the goal, one saved by Bachmann, one blasted wide.
     
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  33. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Post nudes.
     
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  34. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Hold on sir - are you calling for 3rd reign of QSF??
     
  35. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I've always liked your straight talking on here but this has pushed me over the edge. Saturday night as well. What a night to be alive!
     
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