Watford Fc 0-3 Norwich City - 21/01/2022

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Cthulhu, Jan 18, 2022.

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What will the result be

  1. Watford win

    62 vote(s)
    71.3%
  2. Draw

    7 vote(s)
    8.0%
  3. Norwich Win

    18 vote(s)
    20.7%
  1. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    That really isn’t the truth.
     
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  2. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    Obviously.

    Look at Brighton, Lamptey for £3 million and Ben White from their academy will generate over £100 million in sales I promise you that.

    Bissouma for £15 million is going to go for £35m minimum, Livramento for Soton gonna be £30m, we don't do any of that.

    Richarlison which ended in tears cos of Silva but we did well to get what we did and Docoure was cheap at £20 million because we got relegated. I actually don't think even The Pozzo's are good at player trading anymore.
     
  3. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    Good spot in saying Sema was brought on at LB - I didn't even notice or care which position he was supposed to be playing in, I was just dismayed that he came on yet again when we were chasing a two goal deficit with ten men!

    Did Ranieri have his favourites as seems to be the case here?
     
  4. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    This thread is seemingly an epiphany to some that we're Watford.
     
  5. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Brighton also had Jahanbaksh for £17m, Southampton had Carrillo for £20m. Every club has their gems and their flops.
     
  6. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    What does this comment even mean?
     
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  7. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Perhaps you might expand on that a little.
     
  8. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    Time for me to email Gino.
    I might then write.
    I might then pitch up at Colney.
    "To strive,to seek,to find and not to yield".
    I am Alfred Lord Tennyson and I shall get my reply.
    Now where's my typewriter...
     
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  9. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Yes, they are all valid points about the Premier League – especially being at this end of it, out of our depths – but many of my best days have been when we've been a top flight club, holding our own or punching well above our weight.

    The issues in the Premier League are ignored by 99% of journalists covering the game. It's laughable that the recent debate has been about whether 'the likes of Watford and Norwich' deserve their place in the division. They turn a blind eye to the real issue, which is the grotesque structure, the inequality, the extreme 'professionalism'.

    But the problem (for me, at least) is I just don't happen to find the Championship enjoyable any longer. It exists in order for us to escape it. If it's so great, we may as well play in it and decline promotion should we earn it. To me, it's an absolute dirge. Dreary, grey, mediocre, relentless. So many cloggers and spoilers (which is a different problem to the gamesmanship in the Premier League but no more watchable). I respect your right to feel differently, though, I just don't relish a return. Perhaps it's because I know that it brings home to me the pointlessness of it all and the fact that we are aspiring to something that is always just out of reach.

    Maybe I'm too long in the tooth now, too aware of my own mortality, but I know that for however long I have left I want to be able to watch us at the highest possible level. It's not that I think the PL is fantastic – it's a deeply flawed competition – it's just better than the immediate alternative.
     
  10. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    We just simply don't have the money.
    Pozzo desperately needs the PL and TV money, plus Parachute payments just to stay afloat. Without that we are mixing with League One and Two clubs for financial worth.
    We don't have the money and it is why we shop at the European leagues bargain bins for players.
     
  11. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Going off on a tangent but the bit on bold makes no sense at all, not you that is, I mean the argument advanced about us and Norwich deserving our place in the division.

    The teams at the bottom haven’t got worse, logically that would make absolutely no sense, if anything they have got better relatively speaking. The problem is the grotesque money at the top, with more and more teams being bankrolled by nations and billionaires. The gap between top and bottom has brown massively, it’s harder and harder to get points off the rich teams, but the likes of ourselves and Norwich haven’t got any worse.

    It’s looking at the issue in completely the wrong way.
    Bizarrely you then get the same people arguing against Parachute payments because it distorts the championship.
     
  12. Luther Bassett

    Luther Bassett Reservist

    Agree with this, especially the second paragraph. I’ve been going for fifty-odd years and I’ve never felt so detached as I do now. You’re right, the Championship is just a different kind of awful.
    Going to games feels like a duty, except for the odd match when everything comes together and I get a fleeting memory of how I used to feel.
    Top level football is just massively fraudulent in so many ways, I get a lot more enjoyment out of watching non-League.
     
  13. Luther Bassett

    Luther Bassett Reservist

    Hope it doesn’t end like The Charge Of The Light Brigade…
     
  14. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    1 million percent agree with the content of this post, good work (except the part about being long in the tooth).
     
  15. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    So your feelings about the Championship are similar to mine in the Premier League. I've just mentioned elsewhere that actually the bigger picture is that modern elite football, where you would include both of those divisions, is actually just not very entertaining anymore.

    Wouldn't it be nice if football was more slightly more honest, fun and entertaining. I'm 37 and fully appreciate I sound like an old man, but growing up watching football it always seemed much more enjoyable than it is now. I feel like I am too young to step away from it but the truth is I just don't enjoy it any more and I think that is as much a general football thing as it is a Watford thing, if that makes sense.
     
  16. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Synopsis: what is the point of professional football? (This is not a criticism of your post).
     
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  17. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    It's not even a tangential argument, is it? It's directly related to why we feel the way we do about our team at the moment. Once I'd come to the realisation that the 'competition' is a complete mess I've really struggled to shake it. The rush to grab and celebrate the acquisition of wealth and then pour it straight out of the game as quickly as flushing the toilet baffles me. It now requires near perfection to win the title. The top six clubs rotate round on a permanent conveyor belt of media-generated crisis. The clubs at the bottom are portrayed as incompetent or unambitious or both when, actually, us and Norwich and the other dreadful sides at the bottom are probably streets ahead of the dross at the top of the Championship waiting for the lift to arrive at the upper floor again in May.

    Completely agree with you that the issues in the game are broad and fundamental and not restricted to ourselves. The solutions are far more complex and – to me, at least – I felt like we got some way towards carving out a niche for ourselves at the top by being (relatively) smart. It all blew up in their faces in summer 2019 when, I think, they got carried away and failed to recognise that not everything they did was helping them towards their stated objective.
     
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  18. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    I’ve said this before, but it strikes me that the lower you go down the pyramid the more honest the players are in their endeavour to win. Much less time wasting, feigning injury, diving for penalties etc. It’s how I remember football years ago. The Stockport v Bolton cup tie back in November was a joy.
     
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  19. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Couldn't agree more with you. In a way, the stakes are now too high. Norwich, an awful, awful team with almost no confidence, were falling over from minute one last night. The game's inability to police the obvious spoiling tactics has detracted from 'the product' they love to claim is the best in the world. Your earlier point about minutes the ball is actually in play is bang on the money. We're being mugged off – but the problem is, we'd also be right behind Foster's time-wasting brilliance if we were 1-0 up and hanging on at Spurs or Arsenal or wherever.

    I'm nearly 10 years older than you and my first 'crisis' of confidence in the game happened when I was an awful lot younger but it was generated by many of the same things we're experiencing today, just on what now appears to be a smaller and more quaint level.

    I did say to a friend of mine who supports Leeds recently that if you polled supporters of the top 44 clubs and asked them to give a mark out of ten for their satisfaction with how their club is doing and being run I bet the average score would be pretty low.

    I'll put a sock in it now, I'm depressing even myself!
     
  20. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    It's a really good question and one that I've pondered many times over the years. To me, it's about the friendships and the sense of anticipation and the great days that sometimes come along unexpectedly. As I've said many times here, I can cope with being rubbish, but there's an indefinable 'point' to supporting a club, something that runs deep to our core and at the moment I just don't feel it and I can't quite work out why. I think it's because I look down on the pitch with a sense of bewilderment, a lack of familiarity with half the team and over-familiarity with the other half. As I said earlier, they're like 11 faceless shop mannequins in Watford shirts.
     
  21. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Wow. If that’s true, then we aren’t much further along than when the dentist was in charge.
     
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  22. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    If that’s how you feel, what difference does it make what league we’re in? Surely it’s not this overhyped nonsense about ‘seeing the best players on the pitch’ and all that jazz?
     
  23. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    Without doubt. The Championship has it's issues, as does L1 etc but the lower you go the more honest the game. Players lower down want to get to the land of milk and honey - once they get there they seem to lose their edge and desire after a while.
     
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  24. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Another really good question! I don't know, it just does. I suppose being in the top division means the potential highs are that much higher. And I suppose we want it all – a team we can identify with operating as high up the league as possible. I suppose it's why I'd fit into the category of 'unambitious' fans who actually thought that finishing 11th or 14th and having an (outside) shot at winning a cup or qualifying for Europe was enough. Perhaps it's my unfulfilled but burning desire to see us play in Europe (even in the Conference League in Belarus or Kazakhstan) that colours everything. We have no chance of doing those things if we're trundling about trying to get out of the Championship again.

    And no, I actively celebrate if the so-called 'best' players are suspended, injured or left out, so it's not because I want to see Ronaldo and De Bruyne dancing through our defence.
     
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  25. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    :p
     
  26. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    I know but our rate seems to be worse and on top of that Hassenhuttel has been allowed to build, Potter allowed to build. Our model is meant to take away the disruption of managerial sackings affecting everything from top to bottom but if everything is so disjointed already then what's the bloody point?
     
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  27. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    I'd guess our hit rate is similar to well run clubs like Brighton/Saints but yes, I'd like to see how we'd do if we gave a HC a chance to ride out a poor period of form. Wonder where we'd be if we'd backed Javi
     
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  28. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    When the fishing boats throw food for the seagulls.
     
  29. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    That loss has put me in a much sadder mood than other loss in recent memory. What the hell. I wasn't this annoyed when we lost to Palace in the Final. Or Palace in the Semi Final. Or Man City in the Final.

    I was less down about our 19/20 relegation than last night.
     
  30. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    Oh dear, there's a thought!
     
  31. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    I know what you mean, I think it’s because last night was every single one of our chickens coming home to roost at the same time, in a way that not even the most pessimistic of us could’ve imagined in their wildest dreams/nightmares.
     
  32. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Yep. Last night was a "new low" for Watford in The Pozzo era. The worst case I imagined was maybe a scrappy 0-0 or 0-1 loss.
     
  33. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Exactly, I think if you somehow hadn’t watched the game and didn’t know the score, if someone then told you the score was 3-0, at least 95% of Watford or Norwich fans, or the general public for that matter, would’ve assumed it was 3-0 to us.
     
  34. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    We probably had that attitude before the game started - thinking it would be easy and wouldn't have to do much

    Certainly kicked off in a very passive mode.
     
  35. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    I find it difficult to believe that Ranieri would have let the players believe it would be easy. I think it boils down to our team being being made up of gutless wonders.
     
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