Watford Fc 0-3 Norwich City - 21/01/2022

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Cthulhu, Jan 18, 2022.

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What will the result be

  1. Watford win

    62 vote(s)
    71.3%
  2. Draw

    7 vote(s)
    8.0%
  3. Norwich Win

    18 vote(s)
    20.7%
  1. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Who says conditioning doesn’t work? Two things we’ve been taught to believe for the last 5 years. Insidious.
     
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  2. Maedhon

    Maedhon Academy Graduate


    But again there are so many cases in recent years of new owners not improving things.

    At the end of the day the Pozzo's have done as much off the pitch as on it.
     
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  3. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    The verdict on the signings still out. Are they an upgrade or just more from the European leagues bargain bin?
    I think the fans should let the players and owner know how they feel. If this means to continue to boo or chant against them, so be it.
    Something is very wrong with the club. Pozzo has done many goods things, but we are a laughing stock in the Premier league
     
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  4. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    But what does improving things mean to you?

    Lots of people have become tired of the type of players we bring in and only hiring coaches on a reactionary basis to fight fires, rather than thinking more long term.

    It’s doubtful any new owners would run the club identically to Gino isn’t it?
     
  5. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    If you listen to this - - while watching the highlights of our pathetic attempts to defend last night, it almost becomes funny.
     
  6. ghugill

    ghugill Academy Graduate

    Hi guys, Leicester fan in peace, also a regular watcher of Watford as the mother is a supporter

    Sad to see Claudio has currently got you into the ****, but unfortunately I’m not surprised.

    He’ll always be a legend at Leicester for what he achieved with us, in terms of his personality he’ll always be a charismatic and likeable character; however when it comes to his managerial ability, he now has dinosaur status.

    The season after we won the league, things turned sour and we sacked him for a reason, we were only going one way and that was into a relegation dogfight.

    He started to make extremely bizarre decisions, we ended up finishing a game with Ndidi & Fuchs at centre back, it was at that moment, you knew his time at Leicester was done.

    It felt a bit like that last night, when he brought Kucka & Sema on at RB & LB, when he starts making tactical decisions like that, you know his time is up.

    With the way the Pozzo’s operate, it seems pretty inevitable he’ll be sacked in a few days time.

    I wish you all the best for the rest of the season, hope you somehow stay up, if sacking Ranieri comes to fruition though, as you seem to like appointing ex Leicester managers, I hope you don’t go for Claude Puel next, because if you do, I advise you to take your sleeping bags to the Vic.
     
  7. Maedhon

    Maedhon Academy Graduate


    Only team in the league from a smaller town is Burnley and they are hardly pulling up trees. We can pretend that we could have the capability to compete but with our attendances and reputation we aren't attracting a sugar daddy, unless Red Bull want to have a stab at the prem.
     
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  8. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    It never hurt Stoke City.
    They played crowd noise through the speakers at most home games.
    I do agree, the 'chant leaders' that you see in most European leagues is something l wish not to see here in the UK
     
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  9. easthertshornet

    easthertshornet Reservist

    Brentford?
     
  10. Maedhon

    Maedhon Academy Graduate

    Obviously making a go at staying in the prem is an improvement. I completely agree we got the summer wrong and we have got recent appointments wrong.

    I also agree that we need to find some sort of direction with our appointments. But the reaction to Ranieri was relatively positive on the back of Sampdoria.

    But I still think it's way to soon to be calling for protests against the ownership as some are. I don't want change without being absolutely clear it's an improvement and not a Vincent Tan or Mike Ashley.
     
  11. Maedhon

    Maedhon Academy Graduate

    West London.
     
  12. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    I think that’s the point you’re missing. A lot of people don’t care about staying in the Prem anymore, an improvement to them is not having the club run like it is, even if that means dropping back down to obscurity.

    Obviously in an ideal world we’d achieve both with a new owner, but not everyone takes their ultimate enjoyment from the club they support, solely from how high in the pyramid the club finish.
     
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  13. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    In the cycle of disillusion, we're approaching the point once again where people start to romaticise the Championship. A truly dreadful league of cloggers and grounds on retail parks made from Meccano. Would genuinely rather go down twice and play in League One than get back on the Reading-Coventry-Derby conveyor belt of gloom again.

    As awful as this is, going back down doesn't solve anything. It just keeps the whole futile business going. What's the aim if we go down? To come back up and go through this again? We'll kid ourselves that we can get rid of the high earners and we'll recruit players for the Championship who won't be good enough for the Premier League.

    Sorry if that sounds defeatist – I prefer realist – but the issues are far deeper and will take a lot more solving than going down, regrouping and coming up again.
     
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  14. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Something something something, you’re all wrong, something else, ref is a cheat, some other thing, Uncle Claudio.
     
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  15. artvanderlay

    artvanderlay First Year Pro

    On the plus side, if we do end up in the Championship, I'm assuming there will be no mid season break for the World Cup for us to have to put up with. Silver linings and all that.
     
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  16. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    This is the peak of your performance art, isn't it. Even being aware of that, it still makes me want to scream. That's how you know it's the peak.
     
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  17. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    We're curremtly below Newcastle in the table. Humiliation.
     
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  18. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    I agree, I don’t like the Championship like some claim to, the teams are all mostly crap and are all pretty much the same, and it’s just such a grind. I think the point for many though, is not so much preferring the championship, but being willing to suffer it for a change of ownership. Many just don’t like how the club is run anymore and felt a greater connection to the club when we were a championship club, compared to how they feel now. It’s more just about not liking what the club has become, not about what league we’re playing in.
     
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  19. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Stop being so entitled.
     
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  20. Saliva

    Saliva Academy Graduate

    Yes - is it the league you support or is it the club? Far too many support the former around here than the latter IMO.
     
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  21. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

  22. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    The Voice of Reason has already given an 'in the cold light of the day' assessment. He has more stamina and willpower than me so I shan't repeat; but I will say the following:
    The overall impression I had was of watching two very poor teams who were hesitant and low in confidence. Watford had several of the most promising players on view and Norwich didn't. But Norwich showed teamwork and Watford didn't. This last point was key to the result. Football is a team game. They showed very limited ambition but knew what it was and played to it. We did not appear to know what to do or how to do it and were left with individual flashes of stuff which never led to anything.
    The players' lack of heart or fight has been laboured on here until it has been flogged to death. It may be a thing (and in some cases probably is) but largely I think is a supporter's interpretation of players not knowing what to do and of a breakdown of confidence in each other and of the overall plan. I actually think there are very few players who go out and really don't try.
    This leaves me with the uncomfortable conclusion that the coach is at fault. I, along with many others, like Ranieri as a person and admire his public ability. This match brought to mind the 0 - 3 against Yeovil which marked the end of Zola and I wonder if Ranieri should survive. His record with us is statistically poor, but I do think circumstances/timing were all wrong for him right from the off. Munoz had the lion's share of the easiest fixtures and the damage was done then and there, before C70's arrival.
    In addition, Norwich had all the luck. I know this is the last refuge of the desperate supporter but really everything went wrong. Sargent's-shot-in-the-dark flick came good and bounced down just the wrong side of the line. On another day Pukki would have been adjudged to have fouled his man in the build up. The first goal, as often, is very important and Watford crumbled.
    The last 20 minutes gave a hint (with 10 men!) at how it should have been played : Attack repeatedly - Norwich's defence is very very poor. I really don't want to watch a half season of our back line passing back and forth to each other.
    Finally, Mike Dean demonstrated a whole match of misinterpretation and poor game-reading. I was saying this throughout the first half before we lost the game.
     
  23. artvanderlay

    artvanderlay First Year Pro

  24. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    The problem is that the fans don't have any agency. There is no 'board' in the old sense so applying the pressure to force any change is not straightforward. There's an owner and an executive appointed by the owner and for there to be a change the owner needs to be willing to sell and then there needs to be a buyer. How do these things happen? Protests, chants and banners to get the point across? Clearly the club was concerned enough about the number of no shows they crafted the email from Sissoko, so they are clearly not unaware of the creeping apathy.

    Off the pitch, the club does a decent job. The problem is a team utterly devoid of any characteristics we can identify, latch onto and support. A revolving door of coaches and players in itself contributes to the apathy. While the team was doing well it was easier to overlook. The 2018-19 team is genuinely one of the finest I've ever watched at Watford with some individuals who are up there with the greatest ever to pull on the shirt. Yes, they had their bad days but the quality and calibre of some of them even eclipsed some of those from the glory days of the 1980s.

    This lot stand for almost nothing. Sissoko tried last night, but other than that it's just a batch of faceless shop mannequins stuffed into Watford shirts. Yes, that is an ownership issue – they put this squad together – but I am not sure how supporters can influence any change.
     
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  25. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

  26. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    Apparently according to the Sky experts, this is what a team who've been atrocious all season winning a couple of back-to-back games does to a team above them (Leeds).
     
  27. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    I'm entitled to express an opinion!
     
  28. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    As opposed to Southampton, City, West Ham with their historic and famous stadiums?

    The Championship is lower on skill level but far higher on entertainment. Most teams in the Championship try and win, most teams in the Premier League try and not lose. I'd love to see the stats about how long the ball is in play in the PL because it is getting lower all the time. I spend more time watching players on the floor than playing football.

    The Premier League is a dreadful watch for match going fans because it has become a TV show. It is boring.
     
  29. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    I hate this counter-argument to be honest, I've covered it already by stating they aren't the worst but their model comes with a price that is proving rather expensive. Do we want a football club who goes through 3 managers every season, who farms young players sending them to God knows where and doesn't consider defensive recruitment at all important? All that for what? A 13th place finish in the Prem max and a cup final spanking? Come on.

    Also, why can't we be one of the lucky ones? Why can't we get a Tony Bloom or Benham and get in a Potter or a Viera and really build something a bit exciting? Palace signed Olise for less than Louza and he looks fantastic. They stole Hughes off us, when have we weakened a rival? It's just boring to constantly say we could be Derby or extinct or whatever else.
     
  30. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    For a moment I was considering mentioning Andre Gray, but probably best if I don't.
     
  31. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    Haha, they bought Chris Wood the same summer for £4 million less than we gave them for Gray.
     
  32. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    We were in for Olise before Palace but we were too busy trying to play hardball over the fee. Palace saw the value and did the deal.
     
  33. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Same with Ivan Toney.

    Never willing to pay the money.
     
  34. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Must we go through this charade time after time? This isn’t aimed at you in particular by the way….

    But I’d say almost to a person, everyone who thinks it’s time for Gino to move on/sell up, recognises there are far worse owners. But why must it be promoted that because there are worse, there can’t be better too?

    We are a PL club (debatable for how much longer but right now it can be used as a selling point) who sit just outside London and who have scope for a new stadium etc etc. Just sweepingly suggesting no one would be interested is pretty blinkered.

    After all - who knew of The Pozzo’s before they arrived on our doorstep? But they were out there. And there will be more - and some of them might just have the ability to progress us.
     
  35. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Our fans, in general, are pitiful.
     
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