Tyson Fury's Fans

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by NathWFC, Feb 24, 2021.

  1. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Does anyone else find this mans fanbase (generalising to an extent, obviously) quite possibly the most irritating in sport? Fury is a fantastic boxer and could possibly go on to be a "great", but thus far his career isn't that of an all time great or anywhere near.

    He's beaten an ageing, under par Klitschko - still impressive and still a smart performance, especially in Germany but let's just be honest, that wasn't a Klitschko that was anywhere near his best (Fury then dodged the rematch and disgraced himself) and beaten quite possibly the biggest fraud in heavyweight boxing history. That's it. Hasn't once defended a title world title despite winning his first one almost 5 and a half years ago and to my knowledge has only faced and beaten 3 top 10 ranked fighters out of 31 fights, yet his fans talk about him as if he is some sort of proven, unstoppable machine who flattens everyone in the first couple of rounds.

    Every single social media post about Joshua and/or Fury you will see the same comments over and over again:

    - Fury schools Joshua every day of the week and twice on Sunday!

    - AJ lost to a fat Mexican hahahaha! (I wonder if these sort of comments were made non-stop for two years when Tyson got battered by Buster Douglas, or when Lewis got flattened by Rahman? Also not sure what being Mexican has to do with anything, especially considering Canelo is currently the best in the world)

    - Easiest fight of Fury's career and he'll knock Joshua out in 3 rounds! (recently went 12 with f**king Otto Wallin and his KO record is average at best but OK...)

    - AJ is just a big stiff dosser! (Olympic gold medallist, beaten more top 10 fighters in 25 fights than Fury and Wilder combined from 75 and has shown clear improvements to his game and variety in his style in both the Ruiz rematch and against Pulev but again, OK...)

    - Joshua just ran from Ruiz for 12 rounds! (the ultimate "I don't actually have a f**king clue about boxing" comment)

    He has also had a huge PR job done on him. Roll back a few years and he was making frequent stupid and discriminatory comments and embarrassing himself, and was quite widely disliked. He then took a couple of years out, got back in shape after turning into a blob and then they've since spent the past three years painting him as the white knight of boxing who overcame his demons to triumphantly return as the "peoples champion". Yet Joshua is the "manufactured" one...

    I can't stand him and his constant verbal diarrhea, and I think he is as arrogant and delusional as his fans (hence being clearly overweight and out of shape yet again, despite talk of a summer fight with Joshua), and that Joshua - who has already had his wake up call in the ring with the first Ruiz fight and has clearly improved since - will give him a rude awakening when they do meet.
     
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  2. Prime Lennox Lewis would take Fury and AJ to the cleaners, as would a young Mike Tyson. That’s where todays heavyweights sit in the list of greats... quite a way down.
     
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  3. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Yep, very likely, particularly Lewis. The major difference is that people realise that when it comes to Joshua - although I do think they're both very good heavyweights, but some way off the very best ever as you say - but when it comes to Fury there are a lot of people who genuinely believe he's in the discussion for being one of the best heavyweights ever. For what, exactly? It's bizarre.
     
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  4. This thread has got me nostalgic and I've just watched the youtube 2002 Lewis Tyson fight. One of the classics.
     
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  5. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    What you'll come to find with Fury's 'fans' (only been fans since he beat Wilder) is they're casuals who don't have the first clue about boxing. They look at Wilder's knock out ratio and think he's some kind of killer, yet the reality is he's only beaten ONE good fighter in his career in over 40 fights! The rest were all bin men and cab drivers. Wilder is absolutely shocking.

    Fury is MASSIVELY overrated. Don't get me wrong, he had a great win over Klitschko out in Germany, but let's be real, it was an awful fight, Klitschko hugely underestimated Tyson and I genuinely think he'd have knock Fury out in a re-match. Fury bottled that fight.

    For what it's worth I think Joshua stops Fury inside 8 rounds and quite brutally as well.
     
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  6. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    They like his talk and what he is all about rather then that the fact he is a boxer.
     
  7. Aymondo

    Aymondo First Year Pro

    If you think Fury fans are bad, I suppose you haven't come across the Wilder obsessed bunch who lap up each excuse he's put out and tried to find 'evidence' to back it up.

    I think to take away from Fury's win over Klitschko is unfair, it was a fantastic performance from inception to last bell, he beat a dominant, unbeaten in 10 years, future hall of famer without taking any real big punch from him (and remember Germany was notorious for unfavourable scorecards for the away fighter).

    Whilst Chisora hasn't lit up the heavyweight scene in any big way, considering he is still about and some of the performances he has put in against opposition in amongst Fury's ranks, the wins Fury has over him have aged well.

    Right now I think he beats AJ , have flip flopped and will do im sure in the lead up to the fight but going with Fury for now.

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  8. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Yep. Wilder is an absolute fraud and Fury comfortably dispatching wans't some sort of shock or amazing feat, he simply did what should have been expected of him and beat a terrible boxer who has a laughably padded record because he's spent his career fighting handpicked clowns. It's truly amazing how people actually bought into him as a threat to any competent boxer in their prime years, never mind Fury or Joshua, just because he's landed his literal one and only punch on 40+ absolute bums.

    Fury will try to fight the same fight against Joshua as he did with Klitschko and it won't work. Joshua will get to him, will hurt him and will beat him.

    I've seen plenty of Wilder weirdos, the difference is that they don't fill up literally EVERY comments section with dozens upon dozens of exactly the lines I mentioned in my first post. Bunch of bandwagon jumping sheep.

    Fury's win over Klitschko was great, I wouldn't deny that, but I also think you have to be realistic and look at every aspect of it and one aspect is that is was clearly not a Wlad anywhere near his best for a number of reasons. Fury dodged the rematch and I do believe if he hadn't then Klitschko would have come in much better and beaten him.

    Chisora is completely bang average so I'll never see Fury's wins over him as anything other than a victory over someone that any "top" heavyweight should be beating.
     
  9. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    I think Joshua beats fury BUT I have seen interviews with people who have sparred with both of them who say fury is by far the better opponent.

    Neither of them are in the top 50 of all time.
     
  10. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    Sparring is sparring, Fury undoubtedly is a great boxer and highly intelligent in the ring, but as Nath said, Joshua will get to him and will put him away. Wilder didn't have the skill to get to him, he couldn't box off the back-foot and he couldn't adapt to Fury's front foot pressure.

    I agree though, most of the boxing community have Fury to win it and quite comfortably as well by what i've seen and heard. I look forward to mopping up those Joshua odds!
     
  11. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    Fury seems far less arrogant since he won the WBC belt, although he is still full of himself. I like Joshua and his attitude is first rate, and he has a punchers chance against Fury. But the likely outcome is Fury will outbox Joshua, and stay away from Joshua’s heavy punches. Love to see Joshua win, but can’t see it.
     
  12. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    You say 'stay away from Joshua's big punches', but this is the issue for Fury. He's in there with Anthony Joshua. Someone who has fought more elite fighters in less fights, had more world title fights, is a two time unified world champion, an Olympic gold medalist and highly decorated amateur in the World, European and British scene. He's in the peak of his career at 31, maybe not even there yet! He can box off the back foot, he can apply educated front foot pressure, he has a good jab, a very good left-hook, a great straight right-hand and the best upper cut in Boxing.

    For me, Joshua has too many tools in the bag for Fury. I can't see Fury running away for 12 rounds and avoiding Joshua, he will eventually get caught. If he decides to put it on Joshua and try and force him back he's going to walk on to some pretty quick and powerful combinations on the inside. Fury also doesn't have the best chin in the world. Dropped by Cunningham and Pajek. Cunningham was a good cruiserweight and Pajek is a bin man.

    Just can't see how Fury wins the fight. I've had a lot of arguments with my mates who all reckon Fury, but they're mostly casual fans that don't follow boxing except fights like this.
     
  13. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    i hope your right, but I haven’t been impressed with Joshua in many of his big fights. Fury absolutely wiped the floor with Klitschio, who barely touched him. Joshua fought an older Klitschio and just scrapped through. Joshua against Ruiz in the first fight was an embarrassment, and although he got through in the rematch, he was less than impressive. Fury is just so illiusive. He boxed Wilders ears off in the 2nd fight. I think Wilder would have knocked Joshua out. I agree Joshua has the power, but Fury is a much better boxer.
     
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  14. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    Interesting and totally respect your opinion mate. Great fight either way.

    Just think Joshua's far more skilful than people give him credit for and is every bit as good as Fury in terms of boxing ability and IQ.

    Can't wait for the fight now, just glad to see two fighters that want to fight rather than listening to clowns like Wilder talk about wanting it and then ducking career high pay days to avoid getting in with Joshua!
     
  15. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    Yes hope you’re right. There is no question who is the more likeable fighter
     
  16. Aymondo

    Aymondo First Year Pro

    I appreciate your perspective and it makes for a really good fight, hopefully it goes over the line!

    Id have to argue that's a really liberal use of the word elite.

    The only elite name imo on either resume is Klitschko, but your point stands in that is a shared elite name between them.

    Povetkin hasn't won a full world title (please dont start me on the 'regular' situation lol and Ruiz could prove to be elite but right now he is the same camp as Buster Douglas and you wouldn't call Buster Douglas an elite would you).

    The thing with AJ's record is, does Tyson Fury beat all the names on it? For a lot of people I've seen, the answer is yes. What do you reckon? And would AJ beat Wilder? Not saying he wouldn't but for some its not clear cut (personally I think he does).

    1. Talk amongst the hardcores that AJ's peak has been and gone, you haven't seen AJ bulldozing his way through opponents they way he did up until and including the Klitschko fight. See Takam, Povetkin, Pulev fights for reference as examples, not the same AJ as before.

    2. He can box on the back foot sure but how well? Ruiz 1 after the knockdown he got finished, Ruiz 2, sure but Ruiz was grossly overweight and applied minimal pressure nor cut off the ring. Furys movement and unpredictability will show him up, if its not good enough.

    3. Canelo Alvarez for me, he lands the cleaner ones (GGG 2 was a sweet one, think it was 2 anyway), AJ's landed some of his biggest uppercuts by being crafty af, (holding down the head of the opponent and throwing the uppercut), see Parker fight and Klitschko, most famously.

    Realistically this will be down to best gameplan and in-ring adaptation and corner work, look out for what both fighters weigh in at aswell because that will give an indication as to what they are looking to do, E.g Fury comes in around the weight he did in Wilder 2, hes seek and destroy, Aj comes in like Ruiz 2, hes looking to box.

    The biggest doubt I have over either men is AJ's stamina, in nearly every fight hes needed a second wind and that has taken rounds to get back, right now I dont think Fury lets him off the hook when that first wind goes...
     
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  17. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    "Boxing fans".

    What a **** event boxing is. Archaic, fixed and frankly boring.
     
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  18. Aymondo

    Aymondo First Year Pro

    Think you missed out on Zepeda vs Baranchyk last year...
     
  19. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    Some great points mate and I would like to address them.

    Saying 'elite' I guess is what I would refer to as the good old fashioned 'ring magazine top 10'. Sadly in this day and age the best fighting the best doesn't happen anywhere near often enough, mainly due to the 'Mayweather effect' (the '0' meaning it's not fashionable anymore for a fighter to lose their unbeaten status as it somehow damages their credibility), Hughie Fury being a good example, taking big fights against Parker, Povetkin and Pulev and losing each time, but he has been game enough to fight these guys and take the challenge a lot of these fighters pass up on. Due to this, I think it's hard to refer to anyone outside of Joshua and Fury as 'elite', so I take your point and I guess I mean 'top 10'. Feel very much for Joshua with this as they've all ducked him at one point. Wilder multiple times, Fury back in April 2019, Whyte in April 2019, Miller popped dirty, Ortiz ducked his highest career pay day by turning down $7m (his highest was $500k for first Wilder fight). Who else was there left to fight!? They all avoided him like the plague despite being a unified world champion and a cash cow!!

    With regards to Povetkin, it was a mandatory fight. One thing Joshua has always done is take care of his mandatories. He's never offered anyone 'step aside' money or vacated, he's taken the challenge. In terms of Povetkin's record, he had only lost 1 fight which was a points decision to Klitschko. No one had ever stopped AP and Joshua, although was getting a bit outboxed first couple of rounds, adapted (look how he dropped his lead hand in the mid rounds and kept his right hand high in order to avoid the left hook from AP which was finding the target too often in the first two rounds) which is testament to his ring IQ and maturity, started jabbing Povetkin to the body which caused AP to lower his guard and then Joshua landed a overhand right in the 7th which put Povetkin away. Genuine one punch power to knock someone out that's never been stopped before. Ruiz only has Joshua as a name on his credible win resume, totally agree. He was unlucky against Parker (thought he won it personally) but other than that he's beat cab drivers. Bob Arum did him no favours in that regard by basically turning his back on him after Parker fight. I think when he returns he gives a lot of the top 10 fighters problems. Fury will school him like Joshua did in the second fight because that's the style to beat Ruiz, he has slow feet and can't cut off the ring. He has fast hands and a great chin so why would you mix it with him in close (that was Joshua's undoing in the first fight, got caught with a punch he couldn't recover from because he was reckless). As much as I like Whyte I think Ruiz beats him. He absolutely takes Wilder to the cleaners.

    Yes, I think Fury beats most on Joshua's resume although i've never been convinced he beats Whyte. I think Whyte is a really tough fight for Fury as he would turn it into a brawl and not sure he's got the power to stop Whyte going to the body. Who knows, it's a good fight, but again, this is a fight Fury harped on about wanting and when it came down to it (WBC ordering it for the diamond belt) he went into hiding. Fury beats Pulev, Parker, Povetkin and Ruiz.

    Can Joshua beat Wilder? You bet he can! I've said from day one that Joshua knocks Wilder out cold. Wilder has never beaten anyone of note (could argue Ortiz but he hasn't beaten anyone really) and he's been on queer street many times in fights against mediocre opposition. I refer to fighters like Molina who made him do a silly dance in the 3rd round I think it was. Wilder looked like the elephant man when he came out the ring against Duhapas, Ortiz had Wilder out on his feet in the 7th round in the first fight (despite being 80 years old with high blood pressure). He also was given an extra 30 seconds before the 8th round started as the doctor checked him over (despite having no cut). Wilder has always found the right hand but let's be honest, as soon as he stepped to someone in the top 10 (Fury) he got found out badly (twice)! Imagine what Joshua would do to him? Joshua has proven he has the ring IQ at the top level to beat some very good names and as soon as they feel his power it's game over. Wilder would fold like a piece of wet cardboard. I actually think Joshua would beat Wilder inside 3 rounds. I think Wilder ducking multiple career high pay days just to avoid Joshua speaks volumes.

    AJ hasn't peaked yet! You say he hasn't bulldozed his way through people like Pulev and Povetkin. He's learnt to use his feet and use his jab to be more elusive. He's had to do that since he got beaten (badly) by Ruiz. That was the best thing that could've happened to Joshua, as perverse as that sounds. He's had to adapt his style to beat certain fighters. Let's not forget he showed in the Parker fight he could box at range against someone with quicker hands. He used his size and reach to his advantage and Parker couldn't lay a glove on him. I think Joshua is starting to come into his own right now. He's a much better fighter now than what he was prior to the Ruiz fight and that makes him incredibly dangerous for everyone else. His power is still there, look at how Pulev had to turn his back on Joshua in the 3rd (fight should've really been waved off there and then).

    Your second point is hard to argue against. We've not seen enough of Joshua boxing this kind of style to say he's mastered the art of boxing off of the back foot BUT you could definitely say the same about Fury with his new 'Kronk' style of seek and destroy. Let's not kid ourselves, Fury beat an incredibly limited fighter that's never fought anyone anywhere near as good as him before. Credit to Fury and Sugar Hill, it was a great game plan (Freddie Roach was trying to get Tyson to do it in the first fight but Ben Davidson was so out of his depth) but it's the only game plan to fight Wilder! You don't stand at range and let someone throw a winging over hand right that could knock out a horse! You put educated front foot pressure on him and take away his only asset, his right hand. This is where I think Fury is in trouble against Joshua:

    - IF Fury adopts the same game plan as he did against Wilder in the second fight, he has to realise he's going up against one of the most athletically gifted, powerful and skilful fighters he's ever been in with. Someone who can knock you out with a left-hook, straight right hand or an upper cut. Joshua isn't going to let Fury bully him and rag doll him around the ring! He will let his hands go quickly on the inside and I don't think Fury has the concussive power to keep Joshua off of him! He's also been dropped multiple times against fighters not even good enough to be spoken in the same breath as Joshua!

    - IF Fury comes in and fights off the back foot, putting his hands behind his back, switching up stance like he did against Klitschko he could make Joshua look silly for a couple of rounds but he won't be gun shy like Klitschko was! He will look to take Fury's head off and he will eventually get him on the ropes and take him out.

    I can't see how Fury wins the fight. Never have seen it and still can't. Everyone talks about how Fury is all wrong for Joshua stylistically but I think it's the other way around! Joshua is all wrong for Fury.

    Yes, Joshua is crafty with the upper cut IN CLOSE, but when he fought Pulev he was landing it when he was sat at mid-range in the pocket! He was landing it clean as well. No doubt that Joshua can fight dirty but I like that! Shows he's no pushover and he will do what it takes to win. Canelo has a lovely upper cut, i'll give you that.

    I do agree with you regarding Joshua's stamina. After the first Ruiz fight and the Klitschko fight I would 100% be with you on this and would be a genuine worry for him in against someone like Fury. That being said, I believe he's addressed it by cutting his muscle mass down rather drastically. He was over 18 stone I believe for Klitschko and Ruiz and that's far too heavy. He was tanking by the mid rounds. I think Joshua at around 17 stone is about right for him and he still carries his power all the way through the fight. I would be worried if Joshua came in more than 17 stone 4.
     
  20. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    That's a great post Bubble, have you considered doing a match preview?
     
  21. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    If and when it happens maybe we could have a fight thread for AJ vs Fury with Bubble taking first post
     
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  22. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Interesting discussion. Can anyone remember that board member who had Fury in his profile pic? He was an interesting character.
     
  23. Aymondo

    Aymondo First Year Pro

    Very enjoyable read, Bubble, thank you. Fair point on Fury & Kronk, and dirty fighting on the inside 100% bodes well for AJ against Fury, he will need to do it at times in the fight, I was just arguing on the point of 'cleanliness' in terms of uppercuts and have Canelo as the best in the game for that.

    I'd still argue you on the stamina, I don't think that issue been rectified, addressed maybe, but not rectified.

    In the Klitschko fight, had Klitschko down, over exerted himself, got put down and needed lots of time to recover, eventually got his man out to his credit.

    In the Pulev fight, round 3, gets the count on Pulev (can argue it should have been stopped), tried to go for the finish and gassed, nothing in round 4 from AJ, minimal in round 5, minimal in round 6 and then recovered to mount sustained offence in round 7, thats again, after he had his man answer the count twice in the round before. He had a 3 round wait for the second wind, Fury you'd think wouldn't let that slide. That still is my biggest concern between both men.


    Added to that Fury, at the highest of his competition, is on it for every minute of every round, making his opponent think/work, how he neutralised Klitschko was mind boggling, but he did it, Wilder 1 on his feet 12 rounds (won that fight imo) Wilder 2 didn't stop coming forward for the whole fight and put on constant pressure (no lack of stamina there). I'd give Fury the better 'ring general' amongst the two, and it's not even close, Fury made Klitschko and Wilder (twice) fight his fight, AJ in comparison wasn't in control vs Klitschko, pure life and death fight that one.

    There is a 3 inch height and reach advantage for Fury too, that bodes well for Fury and will be AJ's tallest opponent to date, the height is a problem as it gives Fury the Klitschko 'lean on' advantage. AJ has to punch 'up' a bit which is more exhausting and the reach means the all important jab is in Fury's favour re landing too, better jab all round imo.

    I will say there is a glaring weakness in AJ's game not mentioned yet, defending that left hook, time and time again he's been caught with it and big, some people don't rate AJ's chin, but I believe it's better than most people seem to think, as he's need the chin to have taken some big left hooks flush and still stood (Whyte, Povetkin), whilst Fury's no massive 1 punch KO artist, that left hook behind a combo will do damage and Fury could find a home for it all night. And whilst you highlight AJ's right hand, Fury's taken bigger shots from Wilder (in Wilder 1, we all know and Wilder 2 he said to Wilder post fight that a right hand in round 2 landed on him hard ), and the added weight has seen him take it, is AJ's any harder? The uppercut will be well scouted and left hook Fury can see that coming a mile off.

    You mentioned Fury being in with the most athletically gifted, powerful and skilful fighters he's ever been in with, but so is AJ.

    I'd have Fury with advantages on skill, stamina, recovery, reflex, speed, timing, footwork, head movement, pretty much anything apart from power against AJ (heart and chin are arguable either way), he has power in his favour for sure.

    When Fury pivots off on angles, feints, ducks under winging hooks, feints low to go high (vice-versa), will AJ ever be set enough to throw the big shots successfully? Gun shy is one thing, but I think thats where people under credit Fury for the Klitschko win cause he never let him settle.

    The 'mind games' element that Fury brings too, although an intangible, will add to the Fury equation, if you don't think it does, know that Fury's win against Klitschko all started years before in a sauna... And added to intangibles he has defied logic in his career, again at the highest points, underdog v Klitschko and on away soil, one of the best wins by a Brit in history, and getting up from the Wilder 1 knockdown, the will to win is there too.

    For me it's a big shame that the Miller fight didn't happen, because in the build up Miller was getting through to AJ, making him say things he usually doesn't say and AJ dealing with more of that would have helped set him up for Fury. In the Whyte fight he was able to stay calm, but Miller was able to get under his skin. Fury will be all over that, whilst I don't think he'll be living rent free, but Fury will win that battle, and it will matter imo. I do also think it was a bit weird that in all the build up to the Pulev fight the talk from the AJ & Hearn camp was Fury next, Fury next, but then it AJ's post fight interview when asked whats next, wouldn't mention Fury by name, a bit weird.

    I genuinely don't have a horse in this race although I have wrote 2 Fury posts here (lol), but I do rate both athletes and again, next week ill probably be telling you AJ wins lol, I'll just be glad for the fight to happen.
     
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  24. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Fight signed, according to Eddie.
     
  25. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    I can only ever think of Mike Yarwood when I hear Fury's name.
    It was when he started singing ( Aerosmith possibly?) at the end of a bout.
    The bit where he said "I love you my wife"* made me think of "and this is me".
    Odd chap.
    * Why not just say your wife's name?
     
  26. El distraído

    El distraído Johnny Foreigner

    How do Fury's fans compare to Jake Paul's fans?
     
  27. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Fury is a very good pure boxer. His footwork is wonderful, his patience and cool head is too notch and his chin is strong (getting up after that Wilder hit was very impressive). He’s bloody boring though.

    Joshua is a top athlete and is better than people give him credit for (he’s more than a knockout puncher and much better than Wilder). But he makes mistakes Fury doesn’t and doesn’t have the same instinct of when to jab and move and when to take more risks.

    I think it will be a tight contest. If Joshua has a good few opening rounds, I think he’ll win. If Fury wins the first couple, he’s got the class to avoid being cornered and I think he’ll win by unanimous decision.
     
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  28. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    Fury makes mistakes, no doubt about it. He gets sloppy and gets caught too easily at times. Wallin exposed him, Cunningham dropped him after he made a mistake, Pajek dropped him and Wilder dropped him twice after he made two mistakes.

    Joshua makes mistakes to, no doubt, but to say Fury doesn't make mistakes is way off the mark.

    The difference (IMO) is that Joshua has the skill, IQ and POWER to put Fury away and i'm not sure Fury has the raw power to keep Joshua off of him like he was able to Wilder. He kept Wilder off of him because he was able to negate his only weapon (the right hand) and push Wilder on to the back foot. If he tries to push Joshua on to the back-foot he's going to take a lot of punishment on the inside and at mid-range.

    Fury's ONLY chance of winning this fight is trying to mentally break Joshua down and frustrate him in the ring. Personally, I don't think he can. Joshua will let his hands go and not worry too much about what's coming back as he knows Fury isn't a big puncher. Joshua has been in with much bigger punchers than Fury and come through adversity. Ok, people can argue that Fury has been in with the biggest puncher of all (Wilder) BUT it's not the same as being in there with AJ who carries concussive power in both hands and has the skill and IQ to stay out of trouble and set traps.

    One thing is for sure, it's going to be a great fight!
     
  29. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    It will be a great fight and I for one can't say who will win. Both very good fighters who are more than capable on said day.
     
  30. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    To clarify, I wasn't saying that Fury doesn't make mistakes, just that his mistakes aren't as easy to exploit. Joshua has a few clear defensive vulnerabilities, such as to the left hook. He was also a bit eager to go in for the kill at times and leaves himself a bit open, although he is improving with experience.

    Fury has a longer jab and better footwork and will constantly lean on Joshua. I can see Joshua getting increasingly frustrated, throwing more high-risk punches, and tiring more quickly.

    I'm not actually sure it will be a great fight until late in the contest. Fury will be very defensive and jab and move for the first half of the fight (unless he starts poorly). If Joshua starts connecting though, the fight will come alive.
     
  31. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    Joshua will start connecting and early on as well. He is very balanced, has great feet (not sure Fury's feet are that much better although his lateral movement is on another level to Joshua's) and puts his punches together very well. He will find the range and don't be shocked to see Joshua go to the body a lot to slow Fury down.

    I, for one, can't wait for this.
     
  32. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    Sad to see Fury duck Joshua (again).

    Fury & Wilder locked in for a third fight in July.

    Joshua absolutely bodied Fury (alleged master of mind games) on Twitter.
     
  33. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Possibly the worst outcome for heavyweight boxing. If Wilder wins, he won't fight AJ, he won't fight Whyte. Fury wins and we probably get the fight in December. But that all depends on AJ getting past Usyk, which he should. Also meaning that Joyce vs Usyk is off.

    Chaos.
     
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  34. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Is there no option for Fury just to stick his hand in his pocket and pay wilder off, or does he just not want to do it, or it’s just not an option?

    If the fight vs Joshua never happens surely he’ll be much worse off financially.
     
  35. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    It all depends on who you believe. Wilder fan girls seem to think he won't step-aside for ANY amount of money (let's face it, he turned down $120m to fight Joshua twice). Fury has claimed that Wilder asked for $20m, but I don't think anyone believes a word that comes out of his mouth.

    Personally, I think Fury WANTS to fight Wilder and has all along. He has been moaning since January that he's not been active and wants a tune-up fight etc. Well now he's got his wish. He gets to fight Wilder again before he gets in with Joshua.

    Joshua v Usyk looks set to be announced as well in the coming days. Usyk is a great boxer but I don't see Joshua having any real problems with him. He will get to him and knock him out, probably quite savagely as well.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that Wilder will knock Fury out cold as well.......
     
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