Multi-billionaire To Tell Plebs How Much Money They Can Have At 12.30

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Moose, Oct 27, 2021.

  1. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Yes, it’s the budget!
     
  2. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Education funding to return to 2010 levels! A Sure Start programme, just like the one Tories abolished! All delivered with a straight face.

    And some welcome old classics! 20,000 more Police! Sorry? Again? 40 new hospitals? Really?
     
  3. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Also very much enjoyed that the Tories have met the fiscal rules (Hooray! Hear hear!) they just invented.
     
  4. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    3p off a pint though.
     
  5. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    UC Taper rate reduction good and for once immediate, but I’d like to see the figures fact checked. Of course this doesn’t help those on UC who are not working.
     
  6. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Boo! Rachel Reeves ripping the budget to shreds. Rishi looks like he’s going to cry.
     
  7. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Rejoice! Cheap Prosecco and short haul flights for everyone! Well done, Rishi
     
  8. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Ha ha! In your face EU! Don't think we won't still drink your plonk or visit! Losers!
     
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  9. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Prefer Vic Reeves.
     
  10. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    You’d think this is tanks on Labour’s lawn, but ordinary people pay for all the spending and for what? To get somewhere approaching back to what we had in 2010.

    Not a punch landed on the wealthy.
     
  11. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Nonsense. Duty on bordeaux has gone up.
     
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  12. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It’s a dreadful budget really, when you compare where it should be. This should have been a budget announcing a new green deal. Instead we got more fossil fuel and CO2. The amounts towards green energy development were tiny.

    While it’s good that there has been some increase in public services, they are still not what they were in 2010. In 11 years the Tories have given, stagnation at best and present this like the winning goal in the cup final.

    And the cost falls not upon the wealthy, not upon people like Rishi or his friends, not upon banks or multinationals but working people. It is they paying for the small tax cut for the working poor. It is they who are paying for their services and as they do prices are rising and only petrol costs receive a buffer.

    And those who cannot work… the £20 UC is gone, prices are rising. A man who inherited millions including the Directorship of a £ billion investment firm tells us that you cannot have something for nothing.

    What a little sh.it.
     
  13. reids

    reids First Team


    But the Express say Rishi is a hero for cutting all our taxes (despite nobody actually ending up better off out the new budget)!

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It’s a brilliant demonstration of the newspapers’ agenda setting. Taxes are very high, understandably and particularly on moderate earners. And yet Rishi gets portrayed as some kind of tax cutter.

    He could kill a puppy and the headline would be ‘great news for pet owners’.
     
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  15. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Multi-billionaire, who presides over stumbling economy, to have another go at telling the plebs how much they can have today.

    Nothing less than wholesale redistribution is required today, windfall taxes allowing for generous increases in benefits and minimum wage. Support with fuel bills.

    Expect some tokenism, roared on like a cup winning goal from the Government benches and Rishi Rich looking like he’s going to cry any moment when pressed in interviews.

    Should a miracle happen and the Government do anything substantial, that will be welcome. It would be a victory for my politics, not a defeat.
     
  16. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Good old Rishi has announced loads of lovely tax cuts for the squires in their 4x4 gas guzzlers. Loads more for hard working home owners who want to do up the draughty old mansion and save on the energy bills. More in tax and NI cuts for hard-working hard workers - the more you earn, the less you pay!

    Unfortunately nothing left for unhardworking loafers, such as the elderly, disabled, those caring for family members and other unproductive, undynamic layabouts with their bedroom curtains closed and who probably haven't even GOT a car, a job or their own house. They can have theirs when it all trickles down in due course.

    Oh and a PENNY OFF A PINT!!!!!

    (Tories cheer and wave order papers).
     
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  17. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    "CuT TaXeS" is like throwing a bouncy ball to a puppy and the mostly right-wing press go for it all the time. In all my years in the media, I've never known anything as shoddy and misrepresentative as budget coverage. Obsessed with trying to convey to the 'ordinary people' what the complex financial equations mean we get reductive nonsense like how many pennies is cut off booze and fags and whether it's going to cost more to fill up the car. It betrays the attitude of successive Governments really. "If we can convince them a pint of Stella and 20 Lambert and Butler will be cheaper they won't notice what else we're doing." However, as this thread demonstrates, many more people see through it than the politicians and press realise. Probably why Sunak looked so crestfallen when a coach and horses was driven over his homework. "But... but... but... I'm supposed to hold up the red box and smile and everyone says hoorah."
     
  18. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Problem is, there just aren't enough of this kind of people. Most people just don't bother engaging in this kind of critical thinking.

    Hence why the pint-pump-n-fags thinking and reporting persists. Ultimately, we get the government we deserve.
     
  19. Hooray

    As a middle age 40% tax payer I am delighted once again to be paying yet more money

    I can’t recall ever any budget where I actually got something out of it

    I wouldn’t mind if my tax money was used well on the things it needs to be used for but it rarely seems to be
     
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  20. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    As a middle-aged, 40% tax payer (as am I) I suspect you're doing reasonably well (financially) out of the system. What we should demand from the system is a healthy and more even society that everyone has a stake in and an interest in maintaining and enhancing. A country that doesn't have increasing numbers of people relying on food banks. What always puzzles me is how many people in the middle and upper sections vote for a certain type of Government – the one that is supposedly all about them and their interests – and yet they *still* don't feel they're getting their share. Not you, necessarily, but I'd be curious to know what more you think you personally should be getting out of a budget?
     
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  21. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team

    What would you rather your tax money was used on?
     
  22. What would I like?

    A neutral budget

    Just to stay still for a year would be nice
     
  23. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Martin Lewis not impressed:

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    Tbh I don't know what he was really expecting. The was no realistic prospect of a windfall tax on the oil and energy suppliers.
     
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  24. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    For you to stay still? What about other people – those worse off? Especially bearing in mind we have a Government elected on its promise to level up.
     
  25. I’ll tell you a short story

    Several years ago I took on a programme management contract for the MOD

    The assignment was to fix a project that had ‘gone a bit wrong’

    What I found blew my mind

    Ernst & Young had been running the project for 2 years, had blown through the budget to the tune of £4m and had delivered nothing

    They had been billing Business Analysts at £1,600 per person per day!

    I walked out after telling the senior civil servant in charge ‘forget it, you’ve blown the budget, created a pile of steaming @&£@& and I wasn’t going to waste my time trying to fix it’

    Now I’m sure there are government departments who do a fab job, from personal experience I know how hard everyone works in hospitals for instance; but I know there is waste in the system because I’ve seen it

    So to answer your question, I’d like the tax we pay to be used properly to benefit real people in need
     
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  26. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team

    Sounds like you had an opportunity to do do that and you walked away and left it for someone else to overcharge the government
     
  27. In what universe can raising the rate of NI whilst promising a cut in income tax be construed as fair? Landlords, investors, speculators, pensioners with private pensions all benefit; workers pay more, especially lower paid. I'll credit him with raising the NI threshold (but see if the increase in take-home pay results in reduced UC) but reducing income tax is just tin-eared.

    Paul Johnson, IFS:
    Oh for goodness sake. What is the possible justification for cutting income tax rate while raising NI rate? Drives further wedge between taxation of unearned income and earned income. Yet again benefits pensioners and those living off rents at expense of workers
     
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  28. I only work on projects and programmes where I add value

    If the opportunity had been ‘sort out MOD procurement’ I’d leap at the chance
     
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  29. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    I'm generally not a big fan of isolated anecdotes as a catalyst for a world view but you raise a very interesting point.

    So it seems we would agree that unfettered private sector involvement in the delivery of public services and the Government's inability (or unwillingness) to put checks and balances in place to prevent this sort of rampant over-charging is a bad thing. But who is to blame? Because private sector involvement in public services is not a design fault it's a design feature.

    Do you think that the civil servants in charge of the case in your example were wantonly and deliberately over-spending for a laugh, or do you think that a system has been allowed to exist in order to extract as much public money as possible and place it into private pockets? Is this a public sector failing or a private sector one?
     
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  30. A friend of mine is a partner in the public procurement department at EY. I never shrink from telling him what a ******* parasite he is. Still, it's him retiring early with a property portfolio, and millions in the bank, so what do I know? I am ex EY, where I qualified as a CA. You wouldn't believe the pressure on us to upsell totally un-needed management consultancy. At the same time, various business collapses were going on where we had signed off the accounts 9 months earlier when anybody could see that the business was built on sand if they cared to look. BCCI was the one when I was there that saw partners desperately putting property in their wives names. All of the big accountancy firms are the same. You can bet that nobody loses out over the likes of Carillion except creditors and employees. The world is fecked.
     
  31. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    I'm starting to think that if you filled out one of those questionnaires about your political and fiscal beliefs that you'd come out – perhaps to your horror – as 'left wing', whatever that is. Unfortunately it's thought of as a pejorative term but it's curious how many people who present as typically right-of-centre actually believe in fair play, fairness and eliminating exploitation.

    As someone much brighter than me once said: "The genius of the right wing is in convincing enough of the population to vote against their own interests."
     
  32. These 'consultancies' thrive because senior people in the public sector are shitt scared of making decisions; the safe thing is to farm it out to a 'consultancy'. People like my mate persuade them that they have the expertise, and because it's Deloittes or PWC who could possibly question their expertise, whereas the people who really have the expertise of that organisation are people who work there already. The consultants will go around with clipboards and make a show of consulting the troops, but then recommend whatever they can squeeze the most profit out of. Why on earth should a local authority farm out say. its payroll function? Why should a government department not have its own property maintenance arm?
     
  33. Why would you have me down as right wing? Because I have my own business? Lloyd thinks I'm a commie. Davy Crocket has me as a bleeding heart liberal. And Hooter thinks I'm a racist Corbynite, but you'll have to excuse him, his mechanism's gone.
     
  34. Another thing - will raising the NI threshold (welcome as it is) have the knock-on effect of lower paid workers not paying the NI contributions necessary to get full state pension entitlement?
     
  35. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    An absolute brain freeze on my part there! I apologise to you. I misread the name of the poster. I thought it was a rapid change of direction.

    How embarrassing, sorry again.

    To clarify - not that being right wing is necessarily an entirely bad thing either!
     

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