I,i,i,i,fwah, Fwah, Fwah It’s The Tories

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Moose, Sep 29, 2021.

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Who do you want as the next Tory party Leader

  1. Rishi Sunak

    7 vote(s)
    63.6%
  2. Lizz Truss

    4 vote(s)
    36.4%
  1. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Reminds me those lovely organizations are asking you the bill payers of this country to foot the bill again for all the infrastructure improvements they need to prevent these outrages against the environment happening. Forget about the billions siphoned off to investment funds and shareholders. Or indeed the wonderful Mr.O'Shea picking up his multimillion pound bonus while people have died yet again this winter for fear of using the heating. Renationalization should be a priority of all the utilities.
     
  2. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Proof if any were needed most of the electorate are dumb and thick too. More interested in what is happening on Sleaze Island, who's cooked the best cake this week and other meaningless garbage.

    Think Robyn Cook is one of the last politicians with any integrity resigning as he did over the Iraq invasion. While Putin has been issued with an arrest warrant from the ICJ so should Blair and Bush.
     
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  3. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Wow. Still, that’s the part of Norfolk that makes the rest of it look like Manhattan.
     
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  4. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    I have to agree with this. Also , how on earth will a truce be enabled if one side has basically said surrender without discretion?
     
  5. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    What on Earth are you talking about? Those comments bare no relation to the subject I was talking about. Turgid snobbery and elitism is a long running tradition in the UK. All I am saying is that desiring to maintain the norm is hardly an agressive act of the culture wars.

    I am all for kids getting a chance. Do you need to get rid of an old tradition to provide it? No. But if you need to get rid of it because of some culture war (which is what I was discussing it in the context of) then up yours and don't expect everyone to to just stand back and let to do what you will.

    I couldn't give a damn if Eton and whoever play at Lords or on the plastic wicket on the Holywell. It is of zero interest to me. It is about as trivial a subject as you could possibly wish to argue over. Even in terms of a culture war (Moose's inference, not mine), it is a case of handbags at long range, rather than a skirmish. Equally, I don't think it is necessary for developing kids to have to play at Lords in order for them to learn to play cricket. Let them use the facilities of Eton for all I care; that would seem a more convivial and far more widely reaching proposal than just saying "you poshos don't get to play at Lords". I think that enough people in the UK enjoy such traditions to stand up for them when people look to replace them.

    I'd stand up for everyone in the situations you describe, except shysters looking to win a culture war with shock and awe.
     
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  6. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    So, your concerns about the situation are not the subject of cricket or the elements that I was talking about, but rather the public schools themselves and the influence their pupils have over the UK as a whole.

    Fair enough. But please don't loose sight of the fact that I was talking about tradition, culture war and cricket. Your post hasn't diminished the point I was making in any way, me thinks.
     
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  7. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    This decision was amplified primarily by the Telegraph and Jacob Rees Mogg, who used his Talk TV show to run a debate and then have briefed out all over social media. It’s their culture war alone. Have some guts and recognise that instead of trying to lay a covering smoke trail.

    The MCC made a decision, which was its right as a private club and then the ruling class fought back, challenging the decision with their media and influence until the MCC backed down.

    You are standing up for one side only in this culture war that they created. This attempt to airily claim you don’t care is simply saying let the rulers have their way, because you cannot bear to side with those who would challenge them.
     
  8. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    I'm not standing up for either side. I am just saying that it seems strange for you to say that the side that is defending its tradition is the aggressive party in a rather ludicrous 'culture war'. For the record, I do not consider to be a culture war, but a bunch of unruly teens (or equivalent) rebelling against their parents. As I have pointed out on many occasions, I think that many of the people describing themselves as left wing radicals have far more in common with old fashioned tories.
     
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  9. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  10. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Disgusting behaviour which further exemplifies why these lowlifes enter Parliament. Not for the betterment of the whole but for themselves. If you want to be a Parliamentarian no second jobs should be allowed. A several year ban from working in any high level capacity for businesses and the entire scrapping of the honours system.

    It reminds me of the virtuous and the villains from the Roman Empire. Those that used their political offices as quaestors, governors, senior tribunes to line their pockets and those who came along and sorted the mess out to relieve the people. Kwarteng and Hancock should be in jail along with Truss. The shamelessness of trying to use their political credentials as employment references when both were completely clueless and incompetent.
     
  11. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Mmmm nom-nom-nom. THIRTEEN MORE YEARS. THIRTEEN MORE YEARS.
     
  12. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Just defending their traditions, I suppose.
     
  13. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    One issue is the extent to which some long-standing ‘traditions’ are actively used as some of the bricks within the wall defending the current inequalities in our society, which are also ‘long-standing’ and ‘traditional’.
    On the specific question of where to play the cricket match, maybe MCC could have offered the Nursery Ground alongside the main arena. Excellent wicket and perfectly adequate facilities for such a game.
     
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  14. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    I was referring to the Led By Donkeys stitch up, where Kwarteng, Brady and Hancock were all filmed participating in a conversation with someone they thought was representing a South Korean company who wanted to hire them.

    It has been interesting seeing people rush to defend them, saying they weren't doing anything illegal by potentially agreeing to work for a foreign company who wanted them to do who-knows-what.

    The dots don't seem to get joined up. For a start these are supposed to be MPs who scrutinise issues with rigour and diligence. They hadn't even managed to work out the company didn't exist. They'd done no due diligence whatsoever. Secondly, their day rates probably wouldn't be high if they weren't elected members of the UK parliament. Thirdly, they seem to be completely lacking in curiosity about what a foreign company might want to hire them for.

    Evidence of a completely broken, corrupted system. Not evidence of MPs gaining 'real world' experience to help them make better decisions as politicians.
     
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  15. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    I agree. My comment was a tongue-in-cheek allusion to some other posts on this thread.
     
  16. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    How the bloody hell did I miss C4's latest 'Red Wall' update:



    One of those 'winning' areas for the Tories: the pandemic. They're either really, really thick in the Red Wall or they live in a different reality to the rest of us.

    https://jlpartners.com/red-wall-wave-6

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  17. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Labour Brexit policy, QED.
     
  18. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

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  19. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Lineker won his case against HMRC. So I guess his hissy-fit over Match of the Day worked. Because the courts, and HMRC, are famously swayed by such things rather than, say, observing the law.
     
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  20. Raab even managed to get Paul O'Grady's name wrong at PMQs, mixing him up with "Shut That Door".

    Mind you, it's what he would have wanted:
     
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  21. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    I am sure that somebody more witty than me can come up with a suitable caption for this image.......

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  22. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    This pothole has suddenly become even more fascinating!

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    I think it's unlikely that "fines and inspections" will be the answer - more likely to be "tools and materials"
     
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  23. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Well there are four tools right there!
     
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  24. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Boris! You can come out now! Nadine’s gone!

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  25. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    That's our election prospects disappearing down that hole. How the donkey can even be smiling beggars belief. I'm alright Jack. Councils do enough inspections. They just don't have the funds. Or the private contractors they use do a shoddy job so they can do it all again a couple of years later to earn more money again.

    Shame he's not buried under it permanently. These are the guys who made Andrew Bailey Head of the BofE. A completely clueless ****wit under whose guidance the FCA (the Fundamentally Complicit Authority as said in Private Eye) completely failed in numerous cases of Ponzi schemes. While at the same time paying bosses and senior managers millions on bonuses from the taxpayer. Was the ****wit punished. No. He was promoted. And we wonder why the country is in a mess. Here is the story of one of those schemes. How the two pieces of excrement that created these schemes are not in jail is a damning indictment of the FCA. And how the FCA allowed them to carry on hoodwinking others for years even after being warned by financial professionals. As the uber Tory would say don't be a plodder be an investor and get scammed by my chums.

     
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  26. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    You’d think they’d be sending these thickos on a meme avoidance course or something by now.
     
  27. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  28. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    This outcome has not been given too much prominence, but it could be crucial. Forget the £430K figure in the headline, that's effectively clickbait. The public purse has lost a maximum of £93K and this guy has been given a 2.5 year custodial sentence for CoVid fraud.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-65141148

    Let's hope that some of this Tory Government's chums are sleeping a little less easily tonight. Will SKS have the guts to "follow the money" if Labour gets into power, I have a nagging suspicion that he will want us to "move on".......
     
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  29. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  30. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    The Vulcan (incidently, I heard on R4 how he got his "...great thinker..." (sic) sobriquet - he has responsible for writing the British Gas the legislation for the its privatisation that includes the bit of it being illegal for BG to sell its gas lower than the world market price) makes an announcement:

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    https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/1642448626550022145
     
  31. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  32. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  33. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    According to Malcolm X there is no difference between a Conservative and a Liberal.
    However the Liberal is deceitful as the Liberal pretends to be the friend of those less well off .
    Gary Lineker and his £4.9 pay off . Prove me wrong . Lineker fanboys
     
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  34. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Apart from the fact Lineker won his case against HMRC what more proof do you need?
     
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