Christmas Werewolf - Day 1

Discussion in 'Werewolf: The forum game' started by miked2006, Dec 5, 2022.

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Day 1 vote

  1. AshdonWFC

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  2. Burnsy

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  3. Cthulhu

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  4. domthehornet

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  5. HappyHornet24

    7.1%
  6. Horace_goes_up_north

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  7. nornironhorn

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  8. Optimistichornet

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  9. Otter

    7.1%
  10. SkylaRose

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  11. steve harrow

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  12. Steve Leo Beleck

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  13. TomWatfordFC

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  14. tonycotonstache

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  15. With A Smile

    57.1%
  16. wfcmoog

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  17. wfcSinatra

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  1. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    I'm currently sat in a hard hat and hi vis, does that count?
     
  2. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Disappointing lack of tache there
     
  3. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Yes. Villages do need construction after all.
    Best one I could find around that time period.

    [​IMG]
     
  4. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    Are mousers making a come back? That Jackson Irvine for Australia has a great/horrific tache depending on your point of view.
     
  5. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    So... what's everyone thinking about today after Mike's update that inactives won't necessary be killed off?

    Still inclined to choose one, if they forget to play then probably no great loss to the village and they'd be 50% likely to be killed off anyway by the coin toss.

    If they both post before the end, then leaning towards picking a named player or someone that's pretty quiet as wolves tend to keep their heads down early doors.
     
  6. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    Surely worthwhile going for them as they are likely normal villagers. Assuming they are both good, lynching one increases their probability of death from 50% to 100%, but then we wouldn't be removing a random villager (75% chance good). Net positive. And neither is the seer which is big.
     
  7. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Wowsers that is a dazzler
     
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  8. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    These numbers were slightly plucked out of thin air, so here are more concrete numbers:

    Assuming both inactive players are good.

    Lynch an inactive:
    50% chance lose 1 good
    50% change lose 2 good
    Expected value - 1.5 good

    Lynch a random:
    (note 4/15 remaining players are evil)
    36.67% chance lose 2 good
    18.33% chance lose 3 good
    18.33% chance lose 1 good
    13.33% chance lose 1 good, 1 evil
    6.67% chance lose 2 good, 1 evil
    6.67% chance lose 1 evil
    Expected value - 1.73 good, 0.27 good
    There is obviously the chance of lynching the seer too.
     
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  9. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    I agree that this is normally true, but I don't think anyone can be blamed for being quiet on a day like today!
     
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  10. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Ooh stats in werewolf is a new development
     
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  11. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    How much do I get if I put on a fiver?
     
  12. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    Logic would be a surprising development on a day 1.
     
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  13. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Agree. Not everyone that has been quiet will be a wolf but pretty sure there will be wolves hiding amongst the quieter players...

    Unfortunately as the day has progressed, there are a lot of quiet players so the pool is quite large today!
     
  14. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    Meant to be 0.27 evil of course!
     
  15. That's some good stattage there Tom!

    I agree the odds are better for us to take off one of the inactive. Toss a coin which one.
     
  16. AshdonWFC

    AshdonWFC Prediction League Champion 2011/12

    Oops! I totally forgot about this starting today!!

    Appreciate the tag Miked! I’ll have a quick read through now to try and catch up.
     
  17. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    And now all my stats go out of the window!
     
  18. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    You mean you didn't save it in a spreadsheet and can't just update the values...? ;)
     
  19. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    You may of just saved yourself there Ashdon. Tom needs to re-think his algorithms now. ;)
     
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  20. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    And then there was one! Just Opti left to post.
     
  21. AshdonWFC

    AshdonWFC Prediction League Champion 2011/12

    Sounds like I haven’t missed a lot then.

    Standard Day 1 with two players both named Good.

    I like the statistical element though. OptaWerewolf…
     
  22. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Not at all related to the game, but can I just say "Rainbow" is one of my earliest childhood memories. Zippy, George and Bungle. RIP Geoffery. That fashion of bright yellow trousers and a dark pink shirt will forver be remembered.
     
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  23. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Hi all very sorry! I completely forgot we started today. Will have a read to catch up!
     
  24. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Tom is now seething.... :p

    Good to see you opti :)
     
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  25. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Hmm well not a lot to go on then by the looks of it.

    Sorry that I have taken away the plan for voting an inactive off! I completely forgot we were playing again.
     
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  26. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    a pleasure as always Skyla!
     
  27. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Less than two hours remaining
     
  28. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    They can be if they totally forgot!
     
  29. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Yep. No idea what to do now. Suspect we'll panic and some poor innocent villager will be for the gallows on flimsy/non existent reasoning.
     
  30. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    I used good old fashioned pen and paper!
     
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  31. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    It’s always difficult to not lynch a named player on the first day. You always have to feel sorry for someone named as good on the first day, as they are never long for this world.

    Delving back through the records of wfcforums werewolf history I wonder who has the most first day eliminations?
     
  32. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    great effort Tom!
     
  33. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Ok here's my theory on what we know so far:

    • Both messages have offered little insight, but we know at least two of us are GOOD from these.
    • Second message was very confusing.... I do not know what the random numbers and letters mean after the bible verse. Miked clearly has his game face on.
    • Everyone has posted at least one message - so we have no outright person to vote on that front.
    • Some people have posted fewer (but it's harsh to take that into account when they have work meetings etc).
    • Nobody (to my knowledge) has given any direct clues they are EVIL - so that makes it even harder to deduce on this first day.
    • If anything, the vote is going to be totally random, close your eyes pick or use a random number generator.

    That's all I have for now.
     
  34. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    Day 1 is a shocker as, unless the Seer gets extraordinarily lucky with their first viewing, there’s never really anything to go on. All you know for sure is that one of Steve and I have been viewed as “good” by the Seer and the other one has been named totally randomly as “good” by the Wolf. You can’t be certain but you can be pretty sure that neither one of us is the Alpha. However, one of us could be the Beta/Gamma Wolf accidentally named by the Alpha. And one of us could be the Seer accidentally named by the Alpha.

    If you feel you need to lynch a named player, then I’ll take one for the team. It won’t tell you much except that I am Good. You won’t be any the wiser just yet re messages. But you’ll only lose a normal villager as I’m not a “special” role and I made it to the end of the last game as The Guardian so it’s probably fairer to lynch me rather than someone who didn’t make it far in the last game.
     
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  35. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Some stats:

    If we lynch Tom he's either good or he'd bad. 50/50.

    I'm annoyed that Asdome and Opti have both turned up as it would have been a comfortable cop out to vote for one of them.

    I'm gonna vote off a comple random and hope I hit gold. Literally no point in overthinking it at this point.
     
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