Chris Wilder - Watford Head Coach #18

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by SkylaRose, Mar 7, 2023.

  1. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    That seems an odd comment. Didn't Mazzarri and Pearson have 'personality'? Ranieri, too? Even Hodgson (possibly not a 'personality' one might like much...).
     
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  2. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Pearson has one of the biggest personalities in management, hence why he got the sack with two games to go.
     
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  3. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Fans hating a coach doesn't make them a bad coach. I can't stand Hodgson, Pleat, Silva, Vialli (RIP), Klopp, Wenger and many others but they've all been successful
     
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  4. wingco

    wingco Reservist

    All posers compared to Beppe. Proper grafted his way to get where he was. Given an opportunity that was probably beyond him, but made the best out of it.
     
  5. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    I'd like to see you call Pearson a poser to his face...
     
  6. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    On a general note there is no continuity or consistency with the type of manager we appoint.

    No doubt when Wilder goes we will look overseas again for someone who will want his own players and style of play and everyone gets excited before the predicable happens.
     
  7. wingco

    wingco Reservist

    Heard stories from various former players saying he's a bit of coward. Doesn't tell players things direct to their faces, and wilts away if people stand up to him

    It's all a big act I suspect. Most modern players will rightly still be petrified of him so it clearly works to some extent
     
  8. DaveWFC

    DaveWFC Five Star Man

    If you include Mullins and Dyche, then that's an average of 2 managers a year since Pozzo took over.

    I mean, its very funny but f*ck me that's mental.
     
  9. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Take the point about Hodgson, Silva and Vialli, but the other managers aren’t quite the same, you’d be hard pressed to find any fans of the clubs they managed who hated them, which was the point with Wilder.
     
  10. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Seems likely.

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  11. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Indeed, us fans showed less patience with Mazzarri than the Pozzos, although I'm inclined to think he was horrendously unlucky rather than rubbish
     
  12. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Big Sam was not liked at West Ham, Moyes at United, Silva again at Everton, Louis Van Gaal at United. Not every coach is hated by their previous clubs but I think I would take fans reactions with a pinch of salt. I would be more interested in players thoughts
     
  13. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    In fairness, we played some excellent stuff early on under Ranieri pressing the opposition, but for some reason we stopped it before long. Can't tell you how the scum play (other than hacking the oppo and surrounding the ref), but Edwards was always on a hiding to nothing here
     
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  14. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Yes of course, I was just stating your thoughts on other managers of other clubs are not really relevant to the conversation, as that’s just par for the course.
     
  15. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    We had the usual 2/3 game burst of positive results under Ranieri before it all went back to normal.

    I think most were prepared to give Edwards a chance but the only man who really matters its seems didn't.
     
  16. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Fair enough with Klopp and Wenger, poor examples
     
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  17. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    If we could make that 4 games I would be very grateful
     
  18. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    How long can Wilder go on like this?
     
  19. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    With our track record, we are never going to attract a top manager . Therefore it seems pointless replacing one average manager, with another.
     
  20. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    Kind of agree with many above. His style is very specific and absolutely needs a pre-season and a transfer window. I have very little optimism for this season but if there is a plan then Wilder is a good choice - but the contract length suggests otherwise.
     
  21. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    I for one am more optimistic about these last 11 games now with Bilic gone. Is Wilder the answer? Maybe, maybe not.

    What I do know is that under Bilic the last 11 games we’re going to be very boring, predictable, no game plan, horrible tactics, woeful in game management, and horrendous substitutions. At least with Wilder I’m now interested to see what happens, well until we lose to QPR, then I will go back to not caring again.

    What I am looking forward to is the inevitable day 1 training pictures that the club will put out with the players all smiling under Wilder.
     
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  22. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Definitely, along with a clenched fist emoji and something about working hard.

    Followed up a few days later with one of the players shoved in front of a camera to say how "the boys" are all well up for it and training has been great.
     
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  23. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Very clever allusion to the 'Blazing Saddles' references on this thread.
     
  24. ...and it's getting better
    Growing stronger, warm and Wilder
    Getting better everyday, better everyday


    Mama Cass knows.
     
  25. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    And then finally the same player looking sheepish in front of a Hive Live mic at 5.30pm on Saturday saying how up for the boys had been all week and how disappointing it is that they didn't turn that into a winning performance, but will go again.
     
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  26. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    Came on here to post the same thing. Hopefully Knill can join. Believe he is working with Wales but I’m sure he can spare 11 games.
     
  27. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Wilder has got his work cut out to turn things around. Going on averages/likelihoods, we’re probably going to need around 75 points to finish top 6.

    That’s 8 more victories, from just 11 remaining matches.

    Fortunately the fixture list is a kind one. Only Luton and Sunderland look like difficult games to get 3 points from. The rest are games we should actually win.

    It’s doable, but when you need to win 8 from 11, it puts on a lot of pressure.

    Saturday is key to everything. If we flop again on the road, I’d say that’s just about it.

    To get everyone believing (players and fans) he has to win at QPR. Fail to do that, then the revival could be over before it even has started.
     
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  28. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Was Knill with him at Boro? I'm sure coming here on a short-term deal wouldn't be too much of a bother if he's not in club employment (although ****s' contract took a while to sort out!)
     
  29. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Great, we can’t score goals and we want to bring in an assistant called Knill??
     
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  30. Irishorn

    Irishorn Gael Force

    Giving Wilder a very short term contract is probably the right thing to do and it is a shot to nothing to see if he can get a positive reaction for a possible push for the playoffs, but it is, in reality, an admission that we are on the look out for a manager to take over in June to put in place a plan for promotion for next season. I don't think that the belief or desire exists in this squad of players as a collective to achieve promotion. They are broken as a group. We should seek to retain the players that are salvageable. Get as much as we can for Sarr and Pedro (sadly) and offload the deadwood. I would welcome a situation where we keep Louza, Sema, Porteous, Hoedt, Choudhury, Asprilla, Ferriera, and Kone. Maybe Morris, but I am yet to be convinced. Cleverley and TDB are too injury prone, but I would not be unhappy if they were retained if they are injury free. Leave Manga and co to do their stuff with the new manager (post Wilder) in building a squad that can properly challenge. We need a good man manager and motivator for the next head coach, with a support team of coaches that can have a successful and adaptable playing system/style. Easy.
     
  31. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    Yes. Also seemed to retain the role when he joined Wales. Shouldn’t be too tricky I’d have thought - but is important!
     
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  32. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    It was already obvious with Bilic not pulling up trees that we'd be after a new manager in the summer regardless of whether we got promotion or not. The fact of Manga coming in since Bilic was appointed also added to that likelihood anyway.
     
  33. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Serious question. If we don’t win the next 2 or 3 games, how likely would it be for Gino to pull the trigger again?

    I wouldn’t rule it out. Wilder is a glorified caretaker in essence, and if there is no bounce, even if there is a slither of a chance of winning 8 games, I’ll think they sack and hire again.
     
  34. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Straight on the blower to Xisco. Not joking
     
  35. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I'd have gone with Xisco rather than Wilder anyway.
     

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