Ched Evans

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by Rostrons Red Card, Aug 13, 2014.

  1. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    I remember reading an article where this was number crunched out the other day. I think her blood alcohol level was something in the range of 2.5 times over the UK drink-drive limit, which meant she consumed something in the equivalent range of 4-5 pints across the span of the evening.

    My personal experiences lead me to believe that you'd have to be a lightweight of incredible proportions for that to make you incapable of consent and to black out from the alcohol (barring some kind of reaction with a drug in the system). Couple this with the girl's own statement that she usually drank far more than she had consumed that night, and colour me sceptical over how drunk she was. Indeed, her initial belief was that she might have been drugged because she didn't think she could have been that drunk based on what she drank. Tests found nothing untoward in her system.

    I also don't like the argument over how McDonald was covered because she voluntarily went back to the room with him. That's a bullpoo line of reasoning because it seems to indicate an assumption that going to someone's room = intention to have sex. That's simply not true and it's very dangerous to make that assumption because it is a green light to take advantage of a drunk girl who happens to come back to your room. Entering a room is not consent, neither is having a conversation in a kebab shop and sharing a taxi is certainly not grounds to jump into bed with someone.

    The part that I find particularly interesting is that both McDonald and Evans made statements to the effect that the girl agreed to intercourse when asked and was also an active participant in what went on, telling Evans what to do. The girl can't remember (or "can't remember", depending on your stance) what happened so a rape conviction is delivered.

    Other aspects bother me too. If Evans is guilty of rape, how is McDonald not culpable for Evans' rape? At the very least he facilitated it; if Evans is a rapist then McDonald essentially delivered his victim to him.

    I think what bothers me most about this case is that there are clearly reasonable grounds for doubt based on what is known, yet the anti-Evans camp on the social media community don't seem to have any doubt whatsoever that he's guilty. How anyone could possibly look at this case and say he's guilty without a shadow of a doubt is beyond me. Even if you think he's probably guilty, I think any reasonable person who has examined the facts should be able to admit there is a chance he isn't. That being the case the campaign against him looks extraordinarily inappropriate.

    The whole thing is just a mass of contradictions.
     
  2. CarlosKickaballs

    CarlosKickaballs Forum Picarso

    Ched!
    Ched!
    She fell asleep on the beeeed!
    You should have just asked for head - It is less liable!
    She was drinking...
     
  3. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    Drugs can affect the effects of alcohol but they can't create the stuff. If she'd have been drugged she'd have drugs in her system not alcohol (although I suppose they could have fed her yeast and sugar and left her in a warm place to ferment for a few days). If she really had that kind of count at the police station the following day then she almost certainly forgot to mention the bottle of vodka she's been topping up from before she was interviewed ..... Or is this just another ball-park 'up to that amount' estimate by some anti-alcohol organisation or another?

    The more I read the more I think Evans was stitched up. Were the jury, a bunch of teetotal octogenarian midget bible bashers?
     
  4. Shakespearo

    Shakespearo Reservist

    I think that his getting "stitched up" is going a bit far, but he certainly has suffered from a reversal of the burdon of proof - rather than the prosecution proving rape beyond reasonable doubt, Evans and MacDonald had to prove (beyond all reasonable doubt) that they didn't rape her, a very difficult thing to do when the other party remains silent about the events.
     

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