It's the reason I didn't look a this thread since yesterday morning as I hadn't seen the final episode until just now. Spoiler Who would have thought it, Claudia was the traitor after all!
I wouldn’t have been surprised if Meryl thought that. She played a better game for the traitors than any of the actual traitors..
Finally watched the last episode and have to say I was slightly underwhelmed. Spoiler: This is a spoiler Could they have dragged out the last act any longer? Jesus, by the end of it I was saying "get on with it". Will or Wilf, (WTF was the kn*bheads actual name), was am absolute plank. Him and Keiron had the game in the bag if they'd stuck together but he got greedy, (who'd have thought)? The best bit of the whole series was when Keiron was standing on the reveal spot and looked and the Scottish lady, looked at Will/Wilf, then looked back at her. Then Will/Wilf saying he'd swear on someone's life that he was a faithful. Car crash at the end. When we play Werewolf on here the best play is generally by the intelligent players and it's a joy to observe at times. On Traitors it would appear being dumb as f*** is the key to getting to the end game, (look at the winners). Really surprised super dumb Maddie didn't win it, (though I still liked her). No, it was too engineered for the perfect ending and not allowed to play out naturally. They need to give the players a few clues next time as they are simply in the dark at every round table. But then more intelligent people would do well and that doesn't make good TV these days does it? Though the star of the show was Claudia. Would I watch another series? No, not packed with dumb shouty people like this series, (the last trial was simply them on a boat screaming). Yes, if tweaked and with more intelligent young people. Isn't it about time TV represented the intelligent young instead of the stupid young? Overall - meh.
With our werewolf hats on, we've been able to look at the series objectively. Obviously there are things that wouldn't work in our game and some aspects of ours that wouldn't translate to TV very well. Despite all the crying and emotions it's clear that playing the game for significant money and living with the people for nearly two weeks will create allegiances and conflicts. Would our game be better with 3 werewolves all knowing each other, no traitor and collectively choosing one kill. While team good has one lynching per night and no seer? No it wouldn't, it would be as dull as dishwater. Are there some aspects of the TV game that could translate well to ours? Possibly yes.
I think a Seer with a message a day would work really well, but it would need a traitor message to balance it up. Yes, agree totally, being with the same group as it dwindled would make you tight and tough to vote against.
I was generally avoiding the thread. But it was a direct response to my comment, which was referencing general gameplay, just after a post where I said I wasn’t up to date. So thought I was safe.
Spoiler It’s tricky. They were all going to keep going until they found a traitor. So Wilf knew it was him or Kieran eventually, as they’d have the votes to get rid of the others. Kieran was acting like a weirdo. He was suddenly so guilty. No one was going to allow him to stay at the end and he knew it. He was completely at fault for his own demise by being incompetent (although I appreciate he didn’t chose to be a traitor), then pathetically tried to take down the much better player as revenge. For me, the biggest issue of the show was casting. They picked emotional people for drama, but everyone felt so betrayed and hurt by the traitors just playing a game. They probably need a few more ruthless people in there. But also agree that the format didn’t help. The carry on or end the game with just one vote massively helps the faithful.
Spoiler He was acting weird because he knew Wilf had turned everyone against him and that he was going to be voted out, there was literally nothing he could do at that stage to avoid being voted for by everyone as Wilf was so influential. Everyone was walking out of the room when he was in it to avoid him, so only a person with zero eq wouldn’t have picked up on the fact everyone was going to vote for him. At that stage they could’ve easily swayed Maddie and Hannah to have voted for Aaaron, that would’ve then left two traitors and two faithfuls. Of course Maddie and Hannah would’ve known there was still a traitor left, but there is a chance they could’ve then persuaded Hannah to have voted for Maddie and then the game would’ve been won by them. I think Kieran’s reaction was entirely normal, at that stage he had zero chance so decided to bring Wilf down with him for being so greedy and essentially ruining any chance of either of them taking any money. Kieran had been a faithfull for essentially all but one round of the game, he owed Wilf absolutely nothing, the consequence of throwing Kieran under the bus was exactly what happened.
I’m not sure anything else could have been done though, as they revealed roles at the end. Someone needed to be found. They were screwed over by excellent play and should have accepted that.
FYI for anyone who hasn’t noticed it the US version of The Traitors is on iplayer. The good news is, it’s set in the exact same castle as the UK version the format is the same and the challenges are identical, it’s also presented by Alan Cumming rather than some unbearable American. The bad news is it features Americans, and not only that for some unknown reason they’ve decided to pick half of the contestants from reality shows. I was in fits of laughter watching them trying to spell names at the round table though, genuinely hilarious.
Is anyone watching the US version of this? I’ve been binge watching it with my 16 yr old. At first I wasn’t sure I’d like it - the demographic of the contestants is different as it’s a mix of “ordinary” folk and people who have been on reality tv before - but actually it’s turned out to be very entertaining.
Season 2 applications are open! https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro....ors-series-2-as-bbc-hit-returns-18354549/amp/
From the T&Cs: In order to apply for The Traitors season 2, you must be: at least 18 years of age, a right to legally reside in the UK, and must be available to film for six weeks in the summer and autumn of 2023. 6 weeks to film? I thought it would be a couple of weeks, it basically rules out anyone who works!
Now it's well known it'll probably be full of annoying "influencers" trying to increase their followings.
As @Horace_goes_up_north said in February it will be filled up by wannabes, particularly as the long recording time automatically rules out anyone who has a job. I reckon it won't be as good as series 1 and like other programmes it will go down in quality rapidly with each series.
Just saw this pop up! I'm a bit to far away but some of you might be able to get in last minute! https://sohotheatre.com/events/werewolf-live/
Good start. The 3 people in a row boat unable to work out how the paddles work confirmed what I thought about the whole group.
These traitors think they are smarter than they are so far. One of them keeps on grinning like a Cheshire cat.
Like others mentioned, I was worried that this season would be different and full of “wannabe celebrities” after the programme’s success last year. But hats off to the casting team, they’ve done a great job from what I’ve seen so far. Hooked again. The cliffhangers are annoying though!
Perhaps the casting team were wary of it and could smell a potential Tiktoker during the application process. Also as it's the BBC there's less pressure to have those types of people and in effect they have a BAFTA to defend which would be difficult if it was full of screeching wannabes. Some of the people are annoying and some come across really well but that's always to be expected with these things.
Didn't watch any of Series 1 other than what cropped up on Gogglebox, but must say, as a semi-regular player of the forum Werewolf game, I am enjoying what I have seen this series so far. The shield dynamic is clever and amusing at the same time - it has an undertone that people should be embarrassed about going for them - yet if they don't their game and chances of winning some money could be over before they've begun! Yet to see how the "Roundtable" from last night's episode ends, but 100% in agreement with the decision at least two of the Traitors made in the second round of voting. (Trying not to give anything away to those not up to date!)
The thing I don’t understand is when people link how people play in the tasks to whether or not they are a traitor (not the shield side of things, which is different - rather how they do in the core task). A traitor wants the prize fund to go up just as much as a faithful so you can’t really link how well someone does in the tasks to their likelihood of being a traitor/faithful. I like the added shield element of the tasks this season, as it gives an extra bit of interest to the task for the viewer.
I think it's fascinating as it's a reflection of wider society. I'd thought one of the contestants seemed quite shrewd until she voted for someone because she thought he'd been rude to her before the Traitors had even been selected! If you're a bit odd or not great with people, the group will turn on you, it's a popularity contest with the odd bit of logic/deduction/suspicion thrown in the mix.
Traitors is so similar to forum werewolf it's scary. Make a lot of noise early on you're done. Randomly name someone you suspect and you're both done quickly enough. Stay quiet and make excuses, you'll survive ages. What interests me in series 2 is how will the 4 traitors survive when they have to start turning on each other? It's going to have to happen and I see a big collapse when it does. For me four is way too many.
Their thought processes for who is a traitor is so often extremely baffling, like SLB said, Dianne suggesting Anthony was one because of how he behaved before the traitors were even picked is just so illogical. Basically if you come across as a bit rude or selfish then they immediately think Traitor, even though a good traitor would be the exact opposite of that. Spoiler: Spoiler The weird thing is they have landed on Ash correctly, but more by accident than design. They suspect her because she’s been asking loads of questions, even though a traitor with half a brain wouldn’t act like that and it’s also illogical for a traitor to act like that because they don’t need to. Paul and Henry are your classic Traitors, just be nice and friendly and blend into the background. The collective shock when Brian (whose complete meltdown over being called a sheep was utterly bizarre) when he voted Paul says it all, they couldn’t believe he’d voted for such a nice guy, a guy they don’t even remotely suspect to be a traitor, because they’re too busy pointing the finger at people for things that logically don’t make them traitors at all.
I know it’s easier when you’re watching from the comfort of your sofa (& with knowledge of who the traitors actually are) but I spend a lot of my time exclaiming “but a traitor wouldn’t do that” when the faithfuls are pointing fingers at people. In this series, one of the prime examples of this is Zack. Loads of people are sussing him because he is a bit blunt and made a silly comment about getting a good night’s sleep. But a traitor wouldn’t behave like that as they’re always being careful about how they behave and what they say.
I was going to mention Zack as a classic example, they are using what is essentially clearly just his personality as a reason to think he might be a traitor. I can’t remember the exact comment, but Zack made some supposedly rude comment to Caroline about her dinner or something and she took that as a reason to suspect him. The notion that if you’ve been picked to be a traitor then you’ll automatically be a rude person is just baffling, you’d be exactly the opposite, which is exactly what Paul, Henry and Miles are. It will be interesting to see what the series are like a bit further down the line, when you’d assume contestants will have cottoned on a lot more about what makes people a traitor or not. Apparently in series 2 of the Oz one the faithfuls are so comically bad it’s almost unbelievable.
That issue between Caroline (thanks for that, couldn’t remember her name) and Zack actually made me take a bit of a dislike to Caroline, rather than think Zack was rude. I thought it was obvious he was just trying to have a bit of banter, she had a complete sense of humour failure and took offence. How she then relayed that it was said by him to the group wasn’t how he said it at all.
Imagine comparing your first game of werewolf to your latest game. This is why it's so much fun to watch, they make every single mistake we used to, (and still do ).
