New European Super League

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by The Voice of Reason, Apr 19, 2021.

  1. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Bingo.
     
  2. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Yes, both as farcical as each other but in the case of Spurs a team who haven’t won their domestic league for 60 years.
     
  3. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Good old Jose! He wanted out anyway, and now he's escaped while smelling of roses. Perhaps a nice precedent for decent people like Klopp and Ole.
     
  4. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    If this goes ahead, here's how the leagues could look like.

    ESL plans could see huge number of promotions across English divisions - Fan Banter

    PREMIER LEAGUE – AFC Bournemouth, Aston Villa, Barnsley, Brighton, Burnley, Brentford, Crystal Palace, Everton, Fulham, Leeds, Leicester, Norwich, Swansea, Newcastle, Sheffield United, Southampton, Watford, West Brom, West Ham and Wolves

    CHAMPIONSHIP – Birmingham, Blackburn, Blackpool, Bristol City, Cardiff, Coventry, Derby, Huddersfield, Hull, Lincoln, Luton, Middlesbrough, Millwall, Nott’m Forest, Oxford, Peterborough, Preston, QPR, Reading, Rotherham, Sheffield Wed, Stoke, Sunderland and Wycombe

    LEAGUE ONE – Accrington, AFC Wimbledon, Bolton, Bristol Rovers, Burton, Cambridge, Charlton, Cheltenham, Crewe, Doncaster, Fleetwood, Forest Green, Gillingham, Ipswich, MK Dons, Morecambe, Northampton, Plymouth, Portsmouth, Rochdale, Shrewsbury, Swindon, Tranmere and Wigan

    LEAGUE TWO – Barrow, Bradford, Carlisle, Colchester, Crawley, Exeter, Halifax, Grimsby, Harrogate, Hartlepool, Leyton Orient, Mansfield, Newport, Oldham, Port Vale, Salford, Scunthorpe, Southend, Stevenage, Stockport, Sutton, Torquay, Walsall and Wrexham

    It could level the playing field a bit. If we just airbrush out the big six, even though there wont be the riches as before, we could become a major force if we get it right early on.
     
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  5. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    All these non-Top 6 PL clubs and Championship clubs releasing statements/tweets 'complaining' about it is a bit weird.

    I have no doubt that if any of them had been invited they would have joined too. Watford included.
     
  6. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    They will find a way eventually when they see the riches on offer and their best players all uproot for massive ESL wages.

    I love the noble way German football is set up - but make no mistake, if this goes ahead, Bayern, Dortmund and PSG won't be sitting on the sidelines for long. There's 3 places already sat there waiting for them. They will take an initial stand and then buckle.
     
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  7. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    The next step will be to restrict the Premier League to clubs which have finished in the top two since, oh, 1980.
     
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  8. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    No, not interested.

    I don't understand why leagues / governments are saying they will do what they can to stop this happening. They should be saying how can we help you leave quickly and waving them goodbye.

    There may be less money left for everyone else, but it will be a great opportunity to reset things and level the financial position for all league clubs.
     
  9. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Poor Farhad Moshiri still thinking his invitation has been lost in the post.
     
  10. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    The owners perhaps, but I would hate the thought of Watford being part of it.

    The sense of entitlement and condescension that comes from half the teams in the Premier League, that we have to put up with, is bad enough. The ESL will be 100x worse.
     
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  11. I would hate it mostly for the reason we’d lose by 6 goals every game and there would be no relegation, no release, no way out. 6 goal losses week in week out week in week out.... year in year out... on and on and on.. Football purgatory. Arsenal are welcome to it.
     
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  12. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Sky have reported that a board member from one of the top six English clubs (didn't give details as to who for obvious reasons) said "this is purely down to owners wanting to get the best possible financial deal for their clubs. What's good for football comes secondary." Quite explosive stuff.

    He also said for a lot of owners the notion of relegation comes as an alien concept, one for which they can't get their head around. It's Americanism running riot. No jeopardy. No relegation. Just the same clubs every season, playing a few exhibition matches. That may work in American but does not work in Europe.

    Personally I think the opposition to this will be so great, that they will have to change the concept or scrap it altogether. Though the Sky reporter said "They knew there would be a backlash to the proposal, but they are not concerned by it". Well they will be if no one wants to watch the games and it kills football in the process.
     
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  13. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    They'll be winning the Champions League pretty much every season though, which would be adequate compensation.
     
  14. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    They would say that. Let's wait to see what Jose has to say.
     
  15. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    But why should it kill football, we will all carry on without them. Hopefully it kills them, but I see no reason why it should kill the game in general.

    Yes there may be less money in what's left, so a footballer has to survive on £5k a week instead of £50k a week. They will have to take it, where else are they going to go to earn more?
     
  16. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    More from Kaveh Solhekol (SSN). He has stated that the 12 clubs have signed a 23 year contract as a commitment to the ESL. They are confident it would not be blocked as legally it would breach the UK and EU laws surrounding fair competition. Also, he said that none of the revenue generated could be spent on transfers (yeah right). It can only be spent on infrastructure, shortfall by Covid and other such things. 8% of money would also filter back into the wider game, whatever that means.
     
  17. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I think they will ignore the backlash for as long there is safety in numbers. Their own fans will come round to it - and those that don’t will be replaced by tourists, youngsters who know no better and corporate freebies.

    The danger for them will be if/when any of the 15 permanent clubs have a rethink and the ‘safety in numbers/ignorance’ angle is shaken.
     
  18. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I don't think it'll be blocked but I don't see any issue with the clubs being given a binary choice between being in the SL or being in the normal competitions.

    The idea that they can have their cake and eat it, and that that's something the law will actively enable them to do, seems far-fetched to me.
     
  19. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    I feel sorry for the supporters of these clubs as they are being screwed by it all.

    Bring back football at 3pm on a Saturday (some midweek) and think of the supporters who actually attend games, not the global TV audience.
     
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  20. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Would it? Declining viewing figures, games shown on ITV4 and beating AEK Athens and Everton to be crowned winners of a secondary tournament and surely no time at all before their best players leave for ESL clubs. There won’t be much financial or sporting incentive to win the CL. Certainly not enough to make it anywhere near on a par to the money or status the ESL will have.
     
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  21. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Fine. So they spend that money on the infrastructure etc and can then use 100% of the money they earn from non-ESL on transfers.
     
  22. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Well, it's a figure of speech. No one will be killed in reality.

    However, football in England will be the poorer without the big six. There's no getting away from it. The Premier League would look like the Championship with Go Faster stripes. It wouldn't really capture the global audience as it does now. The Sky revenue will be dramatically reduced when the next deal comes around.

    The biggest sides would be Everton, Leicester and West Ham. Who would really care about that. Without the "glamour clubs" football becomes a bit of a turnoff. Only fans of clubs would be interested in what their own club is doing. I doubt there would be much neutral interest in football outside of that.

    Getting promoted to the EPL wouldn't mean as much. There would be no big fixtures to look forward to. It would be a bit crap....let's be honest.
     
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  23. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    There's only so many stadium improvements you can make. It's a 23 year commitment. If each club makes £300m per season, just from the Super League, where's that money going to go? Owner's back pockets, if it's not going to the players. It's a complete scandal.
     
  24. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Of course without supporters what exactly is a club.
     
  25. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    That's assuming the board of the PL kick out the big 6 clubs, which I just don't see happening.
     
  26. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    Yes, I was only referring to the owners.

    The fans of the Top 6 seem to be (generally) opposed to the idea. Any other English club fans would be the same.
     
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  27. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Sadly, I think that's true. The big six are so valuable to the EPL. The Premier League would so bland without them. Just an extended version of the Championship.
     
  28. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Yep.
     
  29. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    So you are saying the EPL could be a division we could complete in rather than just survive and this does not interest you? I am interested in WFC doing their best against anyone, not really interested in general who the opposition is. It was nice being in the EPL, but the seasons in lower divisions where we have been fighting for or achieving promotion, have been great, and included many big fixtures I have looked forward too.
     
  30. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Thinking about this more, one thing that could happen is Parliament changes the law to prevent the English clubs signing up for it. The government has been teasing for a while about getting more heavily involved in regulating football governance and this could be the issue that really kicks it off.
     
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  31. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    I thought there was some FIFA rules about government intervention in football stopping them controlling things?
     
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  32. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Couldn't disagree more.
    People who watch football on the TV and live nowhere near and never physically see or have seen their team need to go.
    Glamour clubs.

    You've drank the sky cool aid.

    People have been entertained by football from the late 19th century to the 1990s before we had skys super premier league you know.

    I couldn't give a snot about glamour teams. Who gives a fig about a global audience either?
    So getting promoted to the 1st division with Taylor "didn't mean as much" as our recent promotions, give your head a wobble.

    If all 12 of those teams went away and slowly died off others would rise in their place.
    MUCH more exciting for us.
     
  33. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    There is. But then if the Super League competition isn't FIFA-sanctioned and the FA were happy with the government's plans, I can't see they'd have the ability to intervene.
     
  34. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    To be honest, I'm not how I feel about that. It would lose its shine absolutely. The results I tend to enjoy the most are beating the likes of Liverpool or Man Utd. Beating West Brom stays in the memory for about as long as until the next games comes along.

    I'm sure eventually after a few years I'd get used to it and enjoy it, but at the start it would feel a bit odd and a little hollow. I've not really enjoyed this season, as I got used to seeing Watford play against the best sides. Maybe it's a bit of a readjustment that needs to take place, but I certainly feel we're a Premier League club on loan to the Championship this season. If we don't go up, then that would dramatically change, as I suspect after the fire sale, we'd be one of those clubs looking to get to 50 points and survival.

    It would be more of a level playing field, but there would be something missing without the big six clubs.
     
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  35. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    I have a different view to you...so of course I have to give my head a wobble.....classic.
     

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