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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetboy1 View Post
    My response is in bold.
    You say injuries haven't had an effect but how many times have we had early in games and had to change our game plan, how many players have come off injured thus preventing use of subs for tactical reasons and you seem to have forgotten our time in January when Amrabat injured. Okaka injured, Success injured , Pererya injured and before Niang and Karate came in, what attacking options exactly did Mazzarri have then? Injuries and suspensions to players at the back have also meant we have rarely played the same back line from game to game so have been unable to build up a proper understanding.
    We gave it a proper go on Saturday and we're undone by some quality goals from Spurs and probably suffering from tiredness after playing much of second half on Tuesday with 10 men

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    We're pretty much safe now but a point against either Swansea or Hull will make certain


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumbolina View Post
    Have you ever wondered why it is always you who these posters seem to want to argue with? Why it is always you in the middle of the bun fight? I agree with about half of what you post but I think you have a lack of self awareness and are the number one cause of these arguments you claim to dislike.
    I think he is very aware.

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    HB1 is your classic Internet forum attention seeker .

    An intelligent version of SS Billy , basically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy View Post
    Niang and Karate came in

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    For the record, I believe HB1 makes some very valid points and gets a lot of stick for them.

    He's entitled to his opinions (I agree with a lot of them), as is everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onion8837 View Post
    Ah, now, that's a point more deserving of debate.

    If we only keep one of Niang or Success... which one would you want ?
    My head says niang, my heart says success..

    I just can't help feeling he's going to be one of those players we invest all our hope in only for him to let us down in the end. The 2017 version of my beloved Jamie moralee.

    Obviously I hope and pray this isn't the case, as I love the big galoot. His goal v Bournemouth is my favourite moment of this season so far.

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    If Niang can get his attitude right then he can become a top player .

    Success has got the attributes to be the same but is a couple of years behind Niang in terms of development, tactical understanding, positioning etc

    But then Niang has been playing Ligue 1 football since he was 16 whereas Success has only had 18 months at Granada .

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    Success just needs a brain. He's a few years behind Niang not only in age but also experience which brings with it decision making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Relegation Certs View Post
    My head says niang, my heart says success..

    I just can't help feeling he's going to be one of those players we invest all our hope in only for him to let us down in the end. The 2017 version of my beloved Jamie moralee.

    Obviously I hope and pray this isn't the case, as I love the big galoot. His goal v Bournemouth is my favourite moment of this season so far.
    With Niang it feels like he needs games so he go somewhere big again and we're his shop window. Success will be around for a little while yet I think.
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    Fair opinion re Mazzarri, I have been reading things a bit different, but I think you have a good point. But as you seemed as appeased by the WBA game as the best of us (see your WBA review), I am sure you understand how easy it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by hornetboy1 View Post
    I do believe one more win will make us safe, but we have to get that and it's not a given.
    Which is true and reflects your WBA review, however, your most recent comment was...

    Quote Originally Posted by hornetboy1 View Post
    yet still are one bad defeat away from being sucked in.
    Which is an opinion stated as a fact. Include the words 'I fear' or 'we could be' and all of a sudden no one will be arguing with you. It is at odds with your review, because one bad defeat, which we were all expecting at Spuds, makes no difference to the remaining games.

    Quote Originally Posted by hornetboy1 View Post
    You just pigeonhole someone as having one view only. I reflect the here and now.
    I know, that is my whole point in saying that you argue like you'd never stated your previous opinion. It is good to hear you say this because we can now understand that you start after each game with a clean slate, regardless of what point you spent three days arguing over after the last game. Most of this forum know, but when it has been pointed out to you in the past, you have not been pleased to hear it said, though you are now declaring it yourself. Basically you are saying you are bound to have a different opinion after each game, but unfortunately, rather than not forecasting beyond the next game, when everyone knows your opinion will change, you forecast the rest of the season, or that Walter will lose his job if things don't change, which is absolutely fair enough; unless you are going defend that point to the death, before ignoring it after the next game. Seriously, that's not having an opinion, that is having an emotion.

    Quote Originally Posted by hornetboy1 View Post
    The injury "crisis" is an excuse... Cathcart, Marriappa, Kaboul, Prodl & Britos are all interchangeable and deliver a similar quality performance.
    So you are clearly saying it is not a crisis (I would be very interested to hear you say that at an "at our place" event, and hope you will take the the opportunity when it next comes up). Because in your WBA review you said something which I thought was very magnanimous at the time, and I fully respected you for saying it, I think I might even have 'liked' the post for it...

    Quote Originally Posted by hornetboy1 View Post
    More injuries to centre backs, and that looks a bit of a crisis now. No Prodl, Kaboul, Britos or Kabasele for Spurs.
    Which appears to be at odds with not only your WBA review, but also...

    Quote Originally Posted by hornetboy1 View Post
    I am actually very consistent in my points, so why you say I make a point like I've never made one before is a bit baffling.
    I have to ask if you understand my point now?

    So what changed at Spuds? Well, it turned out, exactly how you predicted, to be a bit of a defensive crisis against probably the best striking team in the country. I don't know a fairer way to point this out to you, and I hope you do not take offence, or think I have twisted your words.

    Please don't get upset. This is not meant as a put down, it is to help you understand why people can get frustrated on occasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfcwarehouse View Post
    For the record, I believe HB1 makes some very valid points and gets a lot of stick for them.

    He's entitled to his opinions (I agree with a lot of them), as is everyone else.
    I agree. HB1 makes some excellent points, and he expresses some very fair opinions at times, but there are occasions where I strongly disagree with one, the other, or both, and he doesn't like it when I discuss it with him. On some occasions I agree with him strongly, particularly about issues with Walter, but do not agree with his stating opinion as fact (which I always feel weakens an argument rather than strengthen it), and it is usually then that we have a long conversation.

    Contrary to what he thinks, and I guess you too, I actually quite like him: I don't tend to take offence when it comes to disagreement, and enjoy debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nascot View Post
    With Niang it feels like he needs games so he go somewhere big again and we're his shop window. Success will be around for a little while yet I think.
    I guess you're not a fan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetboy1 View Post
    I guess you're not a fan?
    Unsurprisingly you didn't understand.
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    Sorry if it's been mentioned alreay, but not sure that I have seen both teams captained by 'keepers before.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetboy1 View Post
    I guess you're not a fan?
    I guess you don't fancy responding to my post?

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    Bournemouth being dismantled.
    Now I may be an idiot, but there is one thing I am not, Sir, and that, Sir, is an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Barry Endean View Post
    Bournemouth being dismantled.
    They must be worse than I thought, fancy letting in four against a rubbish team like Spurs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather View Post
    They must be worse than I thought, fancy letting in four against a rubbish team like Spurs.

    But...but...but...

    HB1 said they had more fight and guts than us. I watched it and...
    he was wrong!
    Now I may be an idiot, but there is one thing I am not, Sir, and that, Sir, is an idiot.

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