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    So .....

    You don't have to be a Watford fan to be confused why Troy hasn't been called up.
    After Defoe, no other Englishman is available or has scored as much as him this season which makes me wonder if the prison thing is holding him back.

    Antonio pulled out, which means another attacker needs to be called up, but it looks like it won't be Deeney!

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    Didnt exactly do himself any favours over the weekend though did he?

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    Antonio was called up as a midfield player.
    I would argue that he is an attacker but there you are.
    I would say that Southgate is signalling the way he wants his team to play and he does not believe TD would fit into this way of playing.

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    I'd say not being good enough is probably a key factor in not being called up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassetti's Beard View Post
    I'd say not being good enough is probably a key factor in not being called up.
    You'd be right, he isn't quite up there given all the other strikers to choose from! He's prob in the tier of English strikers with Callum Wilson, Andre Gray, Andy Carroll, Danny Ings (when fit) and Charlie Austin, so chances will always be limited, but he should get a shot when there's no Rooney, Kane, Sturridge or Walcott! Choosing Vardy is an error tbh.

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    Another thread?

    Choosing Vardy is an error? Hasn't he scored 3 and assisted 2 in his last 4? Plus 24 league goals last season?

    Jesus, we all have a pair of Golden tinted glasses but Deeney over Vardy for England? Lol no way.

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    Not good enough to play for England indeed, but having seen players who I believe Deeney is better than get the call up always gives me hope he will get a call up, even just for a friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squibba View Post
    Another thread?

    Choosing Vardy is an error? Hasn't he scored 3 and assisted 2 in his last 4? Plus 24 league goals last season?

    Jesus, we all have a pair of Golden tinted glasses but Deeney over Vardy for England? Lol no way.
    Deeney is in better form over the last 6-7 games!

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    Jeez, anti Deeney comments after one average game. Do any of you people remember the 5 goals in the 6 preceding games he scored? No? It's fickle and disgusting and I can only hope that the internet is not an indicator of wider attitude among Watford fans.

    His current form is objectively good enough to be in this squad, whether you deem his all-round skill-set to be 'International class' or otherwise.

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    To quote the Joka, you lot will never know just how good Troy Deeney is.

    Any of Defoe, Vardy, Sturridge et al would make for an awesome partnership if paired with him. The only English centre forward who might be better at what he does is Carroll, and he's bloody injured 99.9999% of the time. Look at Ighalo and Vydra's goal stats when paired with Troy, then look at them when they've played without him. He's got a lot to offer England, and it's England's loss if he keeps getting overlooked.

    Anyway, hopefully a Welsh grandparent will turn up, and I'll get to see what he can do alongside Mr Bale and co.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassetti's Beard View Post
    I'd say not being good enough is probably a key factor in not being called up.
    Have you seen the squad thats been selected? Most of them arnt good enough in all fairness. Bar a couple of players its virtually the same squad thats failed miserably in the last 2-3 tournaments - and I suspect in fairness they were only selected because some of the regualers were injured.

    I'm not saying Deeney is or isnt good enough, but I would love to see an England manager use a friendly to try something new, give players like Deeney or whoever a run out rather than watching the same big name cant be arsed players who have failed time & again.

    I would love to see an England squad where form and fitness took a higher priorty in selection than what team the player is from or how big a name they are.

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    It seems England are looking for pacey players who can counter attack well.

    Trouble is we never actually have the ball and so often its slow and predictable..

    Bit like us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamo380 View Post
    Have you seen the squad thats been selected? Most of them arnt good enough in all fairness. Bar a couple of players its virtually the same squad thats failed miserably in the last 2-3 tournaments - and I suspect in fairness they were only selected because some of the regualers were injured.

    I'm not saying Deeney is or isnt good enough, but I would love to see an England manager use a friendly to try something new, give players like Deeney or whoever a run out rather than watching the same big name cant be arsed players who have failed time & again.

    I would love to see an England squad where form and fitness took a higher priorty in selection than what team the player is from or how big a name they are.
    In fairness he did call up Michael Keane, Nathan Redmond, Jake Livermore & Ward Prowse to "try something new" what else can he do to satisfy you except for calling up Deeney?

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    Would like to see him given a go but I don't believe he's good enough. Vardy being picked is irellevant as very different types of player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamo380 View Post
    Have you seen the squad thats been selected? Most of them arnt good enough in all fairness. Bar a couple of players its virtually the same squad thats failed miserably in the last 2-3 tournaments - and I suspect in fairness they were only selected because some of the regualers were injured.

    I'm not saying Deeney is or isnt good enough, but I would love to see an England manager use a friendly to try something new, give players like Deeney or whoever a run out rather than watching the same big name cant be arsed players who have failed time & again.

    I would love to see an England squad where form and fitness took a higher priorty in selection than what team the player is from or how big a name they are.
    It's more than a couple (I count 14 different players to the 2014 World Cup squad)

    Big names like Livermore? Ward-Prowse? Lingard? Keane? Bertrand? Redmond? Arguably selected because of injuries as you said. Up to them to prove their worth on the International stage though, and where better than against Germany?

    Who would you have called up instead? I've glanced through the top 100 players in the Premiership according to whoscored.com and once again the choices are really quite limited. Is there anyone decent/good enough for a call up from the Under 21's?

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    If you were looking at strikers solely on goals scored then you wouldn't pick Deeney but as already mentioned by Necro he adds something different to a team. Based on goals alone, Sherringham should never have got near an England squad but with a good partner along side he was almost an automatic choice. I would like to see Deeney in the same side as perhaps Defoe and see what they can do.

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    I've said ever since this was first discussed that Troy will never play for England. He isn't international standard, and even in lean times in terms of striker choices, there's still 9-10 others who are probably more viable options.

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    It would be interesting to see how well troy could do if he was surrounded by decent players.

    Of course after playing for England we still wouldn't know

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    I remember seeing a passage of play from the league game at the Emirates last season, where Troy had been put through and was more or less level with an Arsenal player. He then took a few paces forward and stopped in the resolution that his pace couldnt get him there.
    I recall thinking at the time that if i had doubts he was quite international class they were cemented there.


    Shame because i think outside of the pace issue he should, or could, be in contention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetto View Post
    I've said ever since this was first discussed that Troy will never play for England. He isn't international standard, and even in lean times
    I'd have imagined that Troy would be even less suitable in lean times...

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