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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumbolina View Post
    Can someone explain how that sentencing works compared against Johnson? Do the sentencing guidelines instruct judges to treat men and women's crimes differently? Our legal system is a joke.
    While I know UEA and SLB will, quite correctly, point out it's dangerous to draw comparisons in sentencing between two seemingly similar crimes it does beg your question. Once again I have absolutely no facts to substantiate this claim but I would wager if a big enough sample of men vs women sleeping with underage partners was made the sentencing for the women would be considerably lighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilippineOrn View Post
    While I know UEA and SLB will, quite correctly, point out it's dangerous to draw comparisons in sentencing between two seemingly similar crimes it does beg your question. Once again I have absolutely no facts to substantiate this claim but I would wager if a big enough sample of men vs women sleeping with underage partners was made the sentencing for the women would be considerably lighter.
    Whilst I do agree with the caveat that there are often other factors at play that may not be apparent in newspaper reports, I do think there is a general tendency to sentence women more lightly than men for equivalent crimes (and not just restricted to sexual offences). I'm sure there are a variety of factors that could explain this that are probably a reflection of society and might include: gender imbalance in the judiciary; the relatively small proportion of female defendants; old-fashioned attitudes about women and crime; attempts from male co-defendants to downplay the woman's part in a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Leo Beleck View Post
    Whilst I do agree with the caveat that there are often other factors at play that may not be apparent in newspaper reports, I do think there is a general tendency to sentence women more lightly than men for equivalent crimes (and not just restricted to sexual offences). I'm sure there are a variety of factors that could explain this that are probably a reflection of society and might include: gender imbalance in the judiciary; the relatively small proportion of female defendants; old-fashioned attitudes about women and crime; attempts from male co-defendants to downplay the woman's part in a crime.
    That and the eye fluttering thing women can seemingly do to get out of almost any minor traffic stop.

    I did think after the fact just about everything you said, I just was needed elsewhere to be able to go back and edit my post. Men have this innate urge to protect women....archaic and sexist or chivalrous it doesn't matter. It just is. Even women who do wrong men will usually punish other men harsher. Even me as a parent with my one son and two daughters. Isn't it true that a rape defendant is better off with an all female jury?

    I doubt it is a general tendency I am sure it's absolute tendency and I don't particularly mind it (sexist pig or chivalrous gent - you decide)
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    I am pretty sure that the judge felt the weight of public and media pressure on him/her as they sentenced Johnson. We can be certain that there would have been an outcry had the sentence been deemed to be too short by the pressure groups, etc, and I am pretty sure the judge would have sentenced accordingly to try and avoid the public outcry.

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    Are people trawling the internet for female sexual offences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilippineOrn View Post
    While I know UEA and SLB will, quite correctly, point out it's dangerous to draw comparisons in sentencing between two seemingly similar crimes it does beg your question. Once again I have absolutely no facts to substantiate this claim but I would wager if a big enough sample of men vs women sleeping with underage partners was made the sentencing for the women would be considerably lighter.
    Is it the case that women cannot rape so by definition men can do worse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosKickaballs View Post
    Not the smartest chap in the world is he? At least he won't be getting out early anymore.

    I hope the Sun didn't pay the prisoner who recorded the video any money though.....

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    They filmed literally hours of footage, and most of it was a good bloke doing a good job as a prisoner, doing his laundry. And then you say you wished you'd raped a schoolgirl and you're labelled a paedo...and that's the game

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    Laughing, he replies: "No, I wish I f***ing did for six year."
    An Ill advised but light hearted joke, during a private conversation broadcast to the public out of context.

    The man is an idiot, he's doing his time. Let's leave him alone. All this will do is fire up a lynch mob for when he's released.
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    What's a light hearted joke about wishing you'd raped a child who you have already groomed and sexually abused among friends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B View Post
    What's a light hearted joke about wishing you'd raped a child who you have already groomed and sexually abused among friends?
    Just banter m8. We've all said it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B View Post
    What's a light hearted joke about wishing you'd raped a child who you have already groomed and sexually abused among friends?
    I'm obviously not communicating effectively today so will leave it at this.

    I didn't say I supported it or that I thought it was funny, just that lifting one sentence out of context makes him sound like he wanted to commit rape where the actual emphasis was on the strength of the sentence is more akin to him having actually having committed rape.

    It's obviously a plant so newspapers and now yahoo on-line can print the headline "Johnson wished he had raped an underage girl". so they can sell some more copy when if you look at the whole conversation in context that clearly isn't the case.

    All it does is promote the sort of violence from neanderthals that murdered a paediatrician because they didn't know paediatrician is different to paedophile.
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    I think the fact that he's joking about it at all and somehow seems to still see himself as the victim in all of this says enough really without the headlines. I'm also hesitant to even give him the benefit of the doubt that he was joking considering that he has proven in the past that he is more than willing to go out of his way to carry out sex crimes.

    By the way, in the eyes of the law Johnson is actually already guilty of rape, which was probably the reason he got such a large sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B View Post
    I think the fact that he's joking about it at all and somehow seems to still see himself as the victim in all of this says enough really without the headlines. I'm also hesitant to even give him the benefit of the doubt that he was joking considering that he has proven in the past that he is more than willing to go out of his way to carry out sex crimes.

    By the way, in the eyes of the law Johnson is actually already guilty of rape, which was probably the reason he got such a large sentence.
    Which Law is that, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    I'm obviously not communicating effectively today so will leave it at this.

    I didn't say I supported it or that I thought it was funny, just that lifting one sentence out of context makes him sound like he wanted to commit rape where the actual emphasis was on the strength of the sentence is more akin to him having actually having committed rape.

    It's obviously a plant so newspapers and now yahoo on-line can print the headline "Johnson wished he had raped an underage girl". so they can sell some more copy when if you look at the whole conversation in context that clearly isn't the case.

    All it does is promote the sort of violence from neanderthals that murdered a paediatrician because they didn't know paediatrician is different to paedophile.
    for the first time in a long time i agree with meister. it reads as someone making a joke about the length of his term. i think people would do themselves a favour by actually reading the things that make them so outraged
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    Quote Originally Posted by fan View Post
    for the first time in a long time i agree with meister. it reads as someone making a joke about the length of his term. i think people would do themselves a favour by actually reading the things that make them so outraged
    Seriously. The meaning of what he said was quite clearly that he felt the sentence was far too harsh for what he did, not that he actually wished he had raped someone.

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    Doesn't take a body language expert to look at Johnson in that video and see that hes anticipating a beating at the beginning of the discussion

    Not that surprising to see him trying to ingratiate himself with some other prisoners with some off colour jokes and denials of his guilt in the circumstances. Whether he believes what he is saying, who knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    I'm obviously not communicating effectively today so will leave it at this.

    I didn't say I supported it or that I thought it was funny, just that lifting one sentence out of context makes him sound like he wanted to commit rape where the actual emphasis was on the strength of the sentence is more akin to him having actually having committed rape.

    It's obviously a plant so newspapers and now yahoo on-line can print the headline "Johnson wished he had raped an underage girl". so they can sell some more copy when if you look at the whole conversation in context that clearly isn't the case.

    All it does is promote the sort of violence from neanderthals that murdered a paediatrician because they didn't know paediatrician is different to paedophile.
    I heartily dislike the man BUT you do have to consider context and tone. What he said could be interpreted as "i might as well have done considering the sentence...."


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