Watford to keep Troy Deeney

[Layton]

I'm getting a tad annoyed with various people that keep saying that if this were "anyone else" they would be sacked on the spot.

Rubbish. Why? Because footballers unlike office staff, bus drivers, cleaners, accountants, policemen, doctors etc etc etc are ASSETS and have MONETARY VALUE

Put another, I believe Watford FC's turnover is around the £11mil mark... If Deeney is worth, say, 600k (for arguements sake) WHY would the BUSINESS simply WRITE OFF an asset worth so much? It simply isnt as easy as that.

They will have looked at the circumstances particularly as to whether Deeney is a canut or not and simply come to (in my oppnion) the correct decision and retained his services with (I am sure) lots of conditions attached.

I am in NO WAY condoning TD's actions BUT he is an ASSET to Watford FC and despite being bought by wealthy owners, businessmen simply do not write off vaulable assets.

If any simpletons out there STILL dont get this.... name me another type of business where the PEOPLE within the business are worth MORE and have a resale value higher than the turnover of the company?

He is worthless , he is out of contract next summer

[HeiaWatford]

Why kick him out? He is a saleable asset. Even Watford are not that stupid.

[J.B]

The amount of people on their moral high horses is actually quite sickening.

He's made a mistake and is currently paying for it. He should be out not long before the start of the season and should be given a chance to prove himself on the contract that the club gave him with the full knowledge of what he had done.

Talking about us being a 'community/family' club is a complete irrelevance as well. If a member of your family or community did what Troy had done then you would support them and help them back on the right path rather than turning your back on them and washing your hands.

Did the same people have the same problem when Marlon fired us to promotion with his long list of more serious, repetitive convictions?

[LLST]

and the dinner was cold

And he'd already told her twice.

[Knight GT]

I'm not sure he'll fit our style of play anyway but I would give him a chance. I like many others have done something that I have always regretted. This doesn't mean that should be it, no chances. We've had plenty of players with chequered pasts but don't remember them getting much stick. See you soon Troy. You owe us some goals

[iamofwfc]

Supporters are assets to clubs but all the ones that got lifetime bans after the trouble against scum are not allowed back within a certain distance on match days? They did their time and most were having fights with other men who were able to defend themselves? TD kicked a student in the head while on the ground and Watford will be paying thousands of pounds a week to play at Vicarage Road, Double Standards one rule for players and one for Supporters. Those who stick up for Marlon King, he to this days still denies the last one of his crimes, we try and bring respect to the game and a line of clubs could not wait to give "woman hitter" yet another chance. Big fat Ron one slip of the tongue, will never work in football again, Marlon King numerous convictions and will earn more in a year then most will in a lifetime.

I really don't understand how people on here stick up for these overpaid thugs and Bullies, but it is a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I bet you wont find many of the Olympic Gold Medalist beating up women or kicking students in the head why they are on the ground, and if they did the sport would wash their hands of them.

The FA and PFA need to send out a message, they earn good money, even in the Championship and say they lose their right to find a club once they have a criminal record.

I may have this wrong but David Haye was banned from boxing for hitting another boxer outside the ring? That send out the right sort of message

TD get rid

[SM#16]

Supporters are assets to clubs but all the ones that got lifetime bans after the trouble against scum are not allowed back within a certain distance on match days? They did their time and most were having fights with other men who were able to defend themselves? TD kicked a student in the head while on the ground and Watford will be paying thousands of pounds a week to play at Vicarage Road, Double Standards one rule for players and one for Supporters. Those who stick up for Marlon King, he to this days still denies the last one of his crimes, we try and bring respect to the game and a line of clubs could not wait to give "woman hitter" yet another chance. Big fat Ron one slip of the tongue, will never work in football again, Marlon King numerous convictions and will earn more in a year then most will in a lifetime.

I really don't understand how people on here stick up for these overpaid thugs and Bullies, but it is a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I bet you wont find many of the Olympic Gold Medalist beating up women or kicking students in the head why they are on the ground, and if they did the sport would wash their hands of them.

The FA and PFA need to send out a message, they earn good money, even in the Championship and say they lose their right to find a club once they have a criminal record.

I may have this wrong but David Haye was banned from boxing for hitting another boxer outside the ring? That send out the right sort of message

TD get rid

Completely agree.

[kingjames77]

Again, my point has been missed. When i use the word "ASSET" I use it in a BUSINESS SENSE

PLEASE READ

In financial accounting, assets are economic resources. Anything tangible or intangible that is capable of being owned or controlled to produce value and that is held to have positive economic value is considered an asset. Simply stated, assets represent value of ownership that can be converted into cash (although cash itself is also considered an asset).[1]

The balance sheet of a firm records the monetary[2] value of the assets owned by the firm. It is money and other valuables belonging to an individual or business.[1] Two major asset classes are tangible assets and intangible assets. Tangible assets contain various subclasses, including current assets and fixed assets.[3] Current assets include inventory, while fixed assets include such items as buildings and equipment.[4]

In THIS sense, fans are NOT assets but PLAYERS ARE

Let me re-iterate once again my point. I DO NOT CONDONE TROY DEENEY, he has been a fool and has rightly been punished. Let's not forget too that the last time the club said anything on the matter was when they suggested that they needed to speak to him to see if he was remorseful or not. I can only assume given his inclusion in the squad list and lack of any other announcement, that they have done this and that they are happy that he will be rehabilitated and return a better human being.

Ultimately though it is AND WILL ALWAYS BE about money in business. We are a club that loses money year on year and until we become profitable, any owner would be very foolish to simply throw money away.

[Layton]

which bit of `he`s out of contract in the summer` did you miss ?

explain to us the value of keeping him (along with his plummeting value as he can sign for someone for free in January) versus the value of paying his salary to someone else , someone else who isnt in Jail and is available now...

[iamofwfc]

Again, my point has been missed. When i use the word "ASSET" I use it in a BUSINESS SENSE

PLEASE READ

In financial accounting, assets are economic resources. Anything tangible or intangible that is capable of being owned or controlled to produce value and that is held to have positive economic value is considered an asset. Simply stated, assets represent value of ownership that can be converted into cash (although cash itself is also considered an asset).[1]

The balance sheet of a firm records the monetary[2] value of the assets owned by the firm. It is money and other valuables belonging to an individual or business.[1] Two major asset classes are tangible assets and intangible assets. Tangible assets contain various subclasses, including current assets and fixed assets.[3] Current assets include inventory, while fixed assets include such items as buildings and equipment.[4]

In THIS sense, fans are NOT assets but PLAYERS ARE

Let me re-iterate once again my point. I DO NOT CONDONE TROY DEENEY, he has been a fool and has rightly been punished. Let's not forget too that the last time the club said anything on the matter was when they suggested that they needed to speak to him to see if he was remorseful or not. I can only assume given his inclusion in the squad list and lack of any other announcement, that they have done this and that they are happy that he will be rehabilitated and return a better human being.

Ultimately though it is AND WILL ALWAYS BE about money in business. We are a club that loses money year on year and until we become profitable, any owner would be very foolish to simply throw money away.

What about supporters the club banned for doing much less than TD? They did their time but not allowed to pay money to the club? Do you not consider them assets? I know (not well) one of the fans who got a ban and he made a mistake, lost his job but since out of prison working again but not allowed in the Vic? Don't see you defending the supporters ? Watford will exist after TD has gone next season but would the football club exist supporters? I know who I consider a better asset! An overpaid bully who cant handle a beer or someone did not want the scum taking **** in the Vic?

[Harrow Orn]

which bit of `he`s out of contract in the summer` did you miss ?

explain to us the value of keeping him (along with his plummeting value as he can sign for someone for free in January) versus the value of paying his salary to someone else , someone else who isnt in Jail and is available now...

Exactly, and it seems Zola is in the market for one or maybe two strikers as it is. Get rid, replace him with someone better.

[hornetmaster]

The amount of people on their moral high horses is actually quite sickening.

If a member of your family or community did what Troy had done then you would support them and help them back on the right path rather than turning your back on them and washing your hands.

I don`t think it is sickening - it actually demonstrates that they have standards, and are willing to hold on to them even if it costs us dear as a club.

He is supposed to be a role model for his younger colleagues, who must never think they are above the law of decency.

I was a big supporter of Troy - when few were, however it was unprofessional of him to be clubbing in Brum in the early hours during the season.

To then assault a youngster in such a vicious way is beyond reason.

In fact if he were a member of my family I would call him `a bum`, followed by a good kicking - he deserves it, & he wouldn`t do it again.

Get rid! - the guy is a liability - just like King.

[miserableoldgit]

which bit of `he`s out of contract in the summer` did you miss ?

explain to us the value of keeping him (along with his plummeting value as he can sign for someone for free in January) versus the value of paying his salary to someone else , someone else who isnt in Jail and is available now...

Not sure what point you are trying to make - yes he is out of contract and yes his value is much reduced - so in Jan we give him a new 2 year contract on similar or even reduced terms and he signs up because he has no other options - in a year this is all behind him and as KJ says then the business is able to realise its asset.
If every employer fired every employee who thumped someone - well the metropolitan police force would be half its size!!

[iamofwfc]

I don`t think it is sickening - it actually demonstrates that they have standards, and are willing to hold on to them even if it costs us dear as a club.

He is supposed to be a role model for his younger colleagues, who must never think they are above the law of decency.

I was a big supporter of Troy - when few were, however it was unprofessional of him to be clubbing in Brum in the early hours during the season.

To then assault a youngster in such a vicious way is beyond reason.

In fact if he were a member of my family I would call him `a bum`, followed by a good kicking - he deserves it, & he wouldn`t do it again.

Get rid! - the guy is a liability - just like King.

Good old common sense!

[iamofwfc]

Not sure what point you are trying to make - yes he is out of contract and yes his value is much reduced - so in Jan we give him a new 2 year contract on similar or even reduced terms and he signs up because he has no other options - in a year this is all behind him and as KJ says then the business is able to realise its asset.
If every employer fired every employee who thumped someone - well the metropolitan police force would be half its size!!

Pro footballers are gifted athletes who go earn big rewards and live very nice lifelstyles, if asking them not to go out on the lash for their so called "short career" and refrain from kicking students while they can not defend on the ground is asking too much then so be it. The met police are trained to meet violence with violence and I am sure if you were on the floor and TD was about to kick you in the head and a copper belted him before he had a chance to give you possible brain damage then you may have a different opinion, oh sorry he i a pro footballer who plays for Watford so we should treat him with cotton gloves. That will send out a great message to the next over rated over paid bully that watford gives a pro contract to.

Make an example of him, send out a message, put morals before money, and hope there may not be a next, go soft on him and only a matter of time before it happens again

[iamofwfc]

If Loach had done the same thing I bet there would not be many people sticking up or him, but because TD finished the season on a bit of a high he is now the best thing since sliced bread!

[Cullyjnr]

Again, my point has been missed. When i use the word "ASSET" I use it in a BUSINESS SENSE

PLEASE READ

In financial accounting, assets are economic resources. Anything tangible or intangible that is capable of being owned or controlled to produce value and that is held to have positive economic value is considered an asset. Simply stated, assets represent value of ownership that can be converted into cash (although cash itself is also considered an asset).[1]

The balance sheet of a firm records the monetary[2] value of the assets owned by the firm. It is money and other valuables belonging to an individual or business.[1] Two major asset classes are tangible assets and intangible assets. Tangible assets contain various subclasses, including current assets and fixed assets.[3] Current assets include inventory, while fixed assets include such items as buildings and equipment.[4]

In THIS sense, fans are NOT assets but PLAYERS ARE

Let me re-iterate once again my point. I DO NOT CONDONE TROY DEENEY, he has been a fool and has rightly been punished. Let's not forget too that the last time the club said anything on the matter was when they suggested that they needed to speak to him to see if he was remorseful or not. I can only assume given his inclusion in the squad list and lack of any other announcement, that they have done this and that they are happy that he will be rehabilitated and return a better human being.

Ultimately though it is AND WILL ALWAYS BE about money in business. We are a club that loses money year on year and until we become profitable, any owner would be very foolish to simply throw money away.

What is his value on the balance sheet? The £350k we paid for him less the depreciation over the course of his contract plus any appreciation (which will be what another club is prepared to pay for a convict with less than a year left on his contract)?

By the way aren't the fans an intangible asset as they generate goodwill that will have a value on the books?
Don't answer that.

[Layton]

Not sure what point you are trying to make - yes he is out of contract and yes his value is much reduced - so in Jan we give him a new 2 year contract on similar or even reduced terms and he signs up because he has no other options - in a year this is all behind him and as KJ says then the business is able to realise its asset.
If every employer fired every employee who thumped someone - well the metropolitan police force would be half its size!!

The point i am trying to make , is that KJ`s endless waffle about him being any sort of `asset` is tenous , at best (as it stands now)

[iamofwfc]

What is his value on the balance sheet? The £350k we paid for him less the depreciation over the course of his contract plus any appreciation (which will be what another club is prepared to pay for a convict with less than a year left on his contract)?

By the way aren't the fans an intangible asset as they generate goodwill that will have a value on the books?
Don't answer that.

When Marlon King Beat up that woman the Wigan Chairman sacked him straight away and wrote off a £6m asset? Wigan are the sort of club that will struggle to sign big name proven goalscorers, hats off to them for doing that, there are some morals left in Football even with all the money involved, Lee Hughs had no trouble getting another club and he murdered someone!

It just seems that Footballers are fire proof and there are always clubs willing to give them a second, third and god knows how many more chances.

If TD was a teacher would he be allowed to teach in a classroom again?

[Chewitt]

the club to lose out on a transfer fee.

I don't see that as a reason to keep the guy, he's got a year left on his contract and really isn't actually that good so wouldn't be commanding much of a fee even if he did have longer left on his deal. What would we realistically get for the guy based on the fact he's had a reasonable half season at the club and will be nearly 25 by the time he's out of jail? Can't see us recouping much if any more than the 350K we initially paid for him. I'd assume we're well within our rights to terminate his contract without paying him a penny and thus we'd be saving on a year's wages, now i'm not sure how much he's on a week, at a guess around the 3K per week mark which would be around 150K saved.

WHY would the BUSINESS simply WRITE OFF an asset worth so much? It simply isnt as easy as that.

Playing devil's advocate here, on the flipside keeping Deeney could easily send out the wrong message to both current fans, and any potential future fans. Of course it's impossible to put figures with my point, but i'd say not getting rid could cost us money that comes in from the fanbase who are most definately an asset in terms of WFC being a business.