World's Greatest - Messi or Ronaldo?

[PFCFitz,YellowArmy]

Crissy Ronaldo does not belong in a 'best player' discussion, not even among Portuguese.

[wfcmoog]

I think people are letting their innate dislike for Ronaldo the **** confuse what should be respect for Ronaldo the footballer. He's an excellent player with a ridlculous roll of statistics. Whatever his personality flaws, he's still one of the best, if not the best player in the world right now.

As for Messi, he can't even get into the Spanish team.

[NathWFC]

I think people are letting their innate dislike for Ronaldo the **** confuse what should be respect for Ronaldo the footballer. He's an excellent player with a ridlculous roll of statistics. Whatever his personality flaws, he's still one of the best, if not the best player in the world right now.

Completely agree.

[Watfordftw]

Ronaldo is good but on too many big occasions he goes missing. Wouldn't say he is as good as the Zidane's, messi's etc etc.

[wfcmoog]

Ronaldo is good but on too many big occasions he goes missing. Wouldn't say he is as good as the Zidane's, messi's etc etc.

Expand on that "etc."

Zidane's is retired and Messi's is special. Who else is out there who is comparable to Ronaldo? Nobody, that's who.

[Watfordftw]

Expand on that "etc."

Zidane's is retired and Messi's is special. Who else is out there who is comparable to Ronaldo? Nobody, that's who.

I was refering to previous greats, currently Ronaldo is probably the second/third best player in the game admittedly. But I meant i'd like to see Ronaldo have good games in the big matches more constantly. Like against Bayern munich he had a good 10-15 minutes at the start then disappeared and missed a penalty, theres many examples thats just a recent one.

[wfcmoog]

I was refering to previous greats, currently Ronaldo is probably the second/third best player in the game admittedly. But I meant i'd like to see Ronaldo have good games in the big matches more constantly. Like against Bayern munich he had a good 10-15 minutes at the start then disappeared and missed a penalty, theres many examples thats just a recent one.

He scored in the 2008 CL final for the winning side.

[LLST]

Messi is easily the best player in the world right now, Ronaldo goes missing in the big games.

[wfcmoog]

Messi is easily the best player in the world right now, Ronaldo goes missing in the big games.

I agree that Messi is the best. I'm just playing Devil's advocate somewhat as people seem to be taking the point that Messi is better than Ronaldo to the point where they're suggesting that Ronaldo is crap, when he's bloody brilliant.

[LLST]

I agree that Messi is the best. I'm just playing Devil's advocate somewhat as people seem to be taking the point that Messi is better than Ronaldo to the point where they're suggesting that Ronaldo is crap, when he's bloody brilliant.

Wouldn't get in our side...

[wfcmoog]

Wouldn't get in our side...

Can he play left back?

[matimbers]

Messi is easily the best player in the world right now, Ronaldo goes missing in the big games.

And Messi doesn't when it comes to big international tournaments?

[LLST]

Can he play left back?

I don't think he knows where that is.

[Squibba]

Ronaldo big games is a myth.

FA Cup Final 2003 in his first season of English football.

Euro 2004 - Semis

League Cup Final 2005

Chelsea - Champions League Final 2008

Barcelona - Copa Final

Many more in semi's and vital league games.

112 goals in 105 or something league games says it all.

[wfcmoog]

Ronaldo big games is a myth.

FA Cup Final 2003 in his first season of English football.

Euro 2004 - Semis

League Cup Final 2005

Chelsea - Champions League Final 2008

Barcelona - Copa Final

Many more in semi's and vital league games.

112 goals in 105 or something league games says it all.

Not to mention when he tore England assunder.

[Lloyd4mayor]

Sometimes seems to me like Messi is only good when Barca are already winning whereas Ronaldo is more likely to change a game instantly (in spite of the fact hes been ****e for Portugal this tournament). In any case Zidane was better than both of them.

[J.B]

Theo Walcott.

[Moosedog]

It is imposible to judge players of different era's but I have seen Pele through to Messi and Pele was by far a better allround player, it also must be said that Pele did not receive the protection from the referee's that the likes of Messi get, they would have been targeted and kicked out of the game. In the World Cup of 1966 is a prime example when Pele was deliberately taken out by the Czech's and finished his and Brazils tournament

[Smudger]

And Messi doesn't when it comes to big international tournaments?

Since when has he gone missing ? In all the games I have watched him play with Argentina at the WC2010. Copa 2011 and recently he has created chances and scored goals.

Now with a change of coach he is starting to reproduce his club form for Argentina. Bear in mind the previous coaches since Pekerman resigned Basile was out of touch, Maradona and Batista would struggle coaching a youth club.

His statistics for Argentina already outweigh those of Ronaldo for Portugual. It was hilarious to hear the Danish fans mock him with chants of Messi and Maradona. They should have also chanted Michael Laudrup.

Iniesta is a better player than him anyway. Players like Pastore match him for talent or indeed outrank him.

[Smudger]

It is imposible to judge players of different era's but I have seen Pele through to Messi and Pele was by far a better allround player, it also must be said that Pele did not receive the protection from the referee's that the likes of Messi get, they would have been targeted and kicked out of the game. In the World Cup of 1966 is a prime example when Pele was deliberately taken out by the Czech's and finished his and Brazils tournament

Messi doesn't get kicked ? He gets pulled down, barged over and kicked all the time ie Ufalujsi for Atletico trying to deliberately hack him down.

The fact is he is so quick and is able to get past defenders trying to hack him down.

Maradona is the best player of all. Messi still doesn't match him for sheer flair and all round skill.

As for Pele he certainly dished it out. He played with other superb players who rarely get a mention like Didi and he can hardly have claimed to won the 62 World Cup when he was injured during the second game.

His constant pronouncements are tiresome and even other Brazilian players like Romario have become fed up of his nonsense.

Pele is a better all round player than Messi who himself is ranked behind Maradona. di Stefano, Sivori, Pedernera , Moreno in the Argentine greats but his constant Messi need's to score x number of goals is nonsense. Considering he includes goals from matches against the Army and Escape to Victory.