Area 51.

[Birdydoug]

New book on Area 51 has been released, might just have to get a copy.

A good read if you are into this sort of thing is "Above Top Secret " is by Tim Green or something like that .

http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/06/07/...rea_51_Warning

[Hornmeister]

Ever had a look at area 51 on google earth?
The new ground level view is cool.

[Smudger]

Ever had a look at area 51 on google earth?
The new ground level view is cool.

Do you have a pic meister ? Apparently Bassini's former address was Area 51.

[Birdydoug]

Here is a link to some photos, I was unable to copy them as I don't have the necessary clearance level.

All non military personal commute in from Orange County Airport on a daily by a 737, the flight number is classified.

Military personal who have been given Top Secret clearance live on the base with their families.

This link may be monitored.

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/area5...rama_0810.html

[inayellowshirt]

New book on Area 51 has been released, might just have to get a copy.

A good read if you are into this sort of thing is "Above Top Secret " is by Tim Green or something like that .

http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/06/07/...rea_51_Warning

you mean Timothy Good

Got a few of his books

[Birdydoug]

you mean Timothy Good

Got a few of his books

That's the man, good read.

[inayellowshirt]

That's the man, good read.

Some of the Whitley Streiber books are a good old read as well.

As a piece of fiction, but on the subject. Nick Popes "Operation Thunderchild" and "Operation Lightning Strike" are very good

[hectic_freeze]

It's worth pointing out that the government doesn't debate that there is a military base at the location area 51 is supposed to be, but the question is more about what purpose the base serves. The Americans tend to be very close guarded with their military secrets, so it's doubtful anyone will ever know for certain

[Stevohorn]

It's worth pointing out that the government doesn't debate that there is a military base at the location area 51 is supposed to be, but the question is more about what purpose the base serves. The Americans tend to be very close guarded with their military secrets, so it's doubtful anyone will ever know for certain

There was a documentary on National Geographic (Scandinavia) the other night all about Area 51.

I dident watch it all but the bit i did see was suggesting that the documents from the early days of the camp are now declassified. They went on to interview lots of old fellas who had worked there from the start.. nothing about UFO's/aliens but lots about nuclear testing.
The general consensus is that the US government have been happy for people to fantasize about little green men because it acts as a good smokescreeen to the actual military operations that were performed at places like Area 51 (Sounds a bit like reading this messageboard at the moment!)

[hectic_freeze]

There was a documentary on National Geographic (Scandinavia) the other night all about Area 51.

I dident watch it all but the bit i did see was suggesting that the documents from the early days of the camp are now declassified. They went on to interview lots of old fellas who had worked there from the start.. nothing about UFO's/aliens but lots about nuclear testing.
The general consensus is that the US government have been happy for people to fantasize about little green men because it acts as a good smokescreeen to the actual military operations that were performed at places like Area 51 (Sounds a bit like reading this messageboard at the moment!)

Nuclear testing would fit the time period, but it's unlikely it's used for that now. I still doubt it's to do with aliens though

[Smudger]

There was a documentary on National Geographic (Scandinavia) the other night all about Area 51.

I dident watch it all but the bit i did see was suggesting that the documents from the early days of the camp are now declassified. They went on to interview lots of old fellas who had worked there from the start.. nothing about UFO's/aliens but lots about nuclear testing.
The general consensus is that the US government have been happy for people to fantasize about little green men because it acts as a good smokescreeen to the actual military operations that were performed at places like Area 51 (Sounds a bit like reading this messageboard at the moment!)

Talk about misleading information. They were advertising the show last weekend on NG using the classic alien images.

[Birdydoug]

Here is a link to Wiki page on Roswell, rather long but some good info here.

I'm on the side that things do exist up there, I really became interested after I had an incident with my then wife on the M4 about 20 years ago, basically it was a sighting of something that we both could not explain.

Looking back in history there are drawings from caves that are clearly objects that have been seen and recorded in a primitive manor that can not be dismissed.

We have been firing objects into space for over 50 years which is miniscule in the age of the universe.

Anyway here is the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_Incident

[north wales yellow]

Looking back in history there are drawings from caves that are clearly objects that have been seen and recorded in a primitive manor that can not be dismissed.

Could these drawings represent time travellers going back in time, as with UFO now days, could these be time travellers from the future?

[Birdydoug]

Interesting point but would you want to travel back in time and change things because that would change the future and jepordise your own existence.

[north wales yellow]

Not necessarily change things just view that time era, and who knows if things weren't changed, if they had not been changed would we be here today?

[Hornmeister]

Time travel can't be ruled out with the reasoning:
"If it had been invented, someone would have come back in time and we would know". This is flawed because:

If we assume now is the present, then only when time travel has become possible (in the future) would events in history (ie now) change . We would not notice the changes as these would have always been so (current and previous events that were changed never having happened), as history is re-written, but with an infinite (I'm assuming here) time ahead of us, there's no way it would be kept secret. In other words suddenly history will change, we will be aware of the possibilities of time travel and it will have always been possible but until it is made a possibility its impossible.

[Hornmeister]

Interesting point but would you want to travel back in time and change things because that would change the future and jepordise your own existence.

But if you jeopardise your own existence by changing an event in the past, you would not exist to have changed that event in the past, therefore no change will occur.

1. The invention of time travel will happen (if it happens) as part of a complex sequence of events.
2. If travel into the past occurs, that complex sequence of events leading to time travel will have then been changed (even if there is no discernible interference in the invention chain of events)
3. It's likely that the invention of time travel will then have been jeopardised to an extent that time travel was not invented.
4. This then means that travel back in time to affect the invention of time travel will not have happened and time travel will have become a possibility. go to point 2.

[Hornmeister]

As you can see it's a bit of a slow afternoon.

[Birdydoug]

But if you jeopardise your own existence by changing an event in the past, you would not exist to have changed that event in the past, therefore no change will occur.

1. The invention of time travel will happen (if it happens) as part of a complex sequence of events.
2. If travel into the past occurs, that complex sequence of events leading to time travel will have then been changed (even if there is no discernible interference in the invention chain of events)
3. It's likely that the invention of time travel will then have been jeopardised to an extent that time travel was not invented.
4. This then means that travel back in time to affect the invention of time travel will not have happened and time travel will have become a possibility. go to point 2.

I'm going away to think about that one, something along the lines of a paralell universe and being to cross over then making time travel acheivable without destroying future events.

Might be on to something here, keep on reading Stephen Hawkins.

[Hornmeister]

I'm going away to think about that one, something along the lines of a paralell universe and being to cross over then making time travel acheivable without destroying future events.

Might be on to something here, keep on reading Stephen Hawkins.

Think that's Hawking's theorem, the time line splits into an alternate path to get around that paradox.