Watford FC 3-0 Huddersfield Town - 27/10/2018

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Smudger, Oct 21, 2018.

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What will the result be next Saturday ?

  1. Watford by three goals or more

    24 vote(s)
    17.8%
  2. Watford by two goals or more

    46 vote(s)
    34.1%
  3. Watford by one goal

    35 vote(s)
    25.9%
  4. A no score draw

    4 vote(s)
    3.0%
  5. Score draw

    9 vote(s)
    6.7%
  6. Huddersfield by one goal

    4 vote(s)
    3.0%
  7. Huddersfield by two goals or more

    4 vote(s)
    3.0%
  8. Huddersfield by three goals or more

    9 vote(s)
    6.7%
  1. Ray Knight

    Ray Knight First Year Pro

    I forgot to add I loved Pereyra's goal on Saturday!
     
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  2. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Foster is one of my favourites in the current squad. He obviously has a word with the ball boys beforehand and plans what to do to run down the clock. There was a moment in the second half on Saturday where it was a goal kick and the ball had rolled out towards the corner flag and Foster and the ball boy went through a routine that was basically "are you getting it or am I?". They took it in turns to start going to it, stopping and going back and pointing at each other. Must have used up about a minute. Eventually the ball boy got it and rolled it slowly to Foster who grinned at him and mouthed "brilliant!".

    He has also taken to flicking shots that rebound back of the advertising hoardings behind the goal, so it takes that bit longer to get the ball back.
     
  3. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    The Pulisball is strong with this one.
     
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  4. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Special mention also, lest it be forgotten, for Roberto Pererya's 'touch round the corner' to Success in the first half. Touch doesn't do it justice really. Played hard at him while he was in the centre circle, facing his own goal and closely marked, but sort of backwards jump-flicked it on about 20 yards straight to Success' feet.

    Unfortunately it didn't result in a goal (Deulofeu shot just wide), but what a bit of skill that was.
     
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  5. Siohmy

    Siohmy Reservist

    I always wonder, because I get bored easily, how people judge what the score could have been? That’s not to say the old “game would have turned out differently had they scored”, more what counts as a, could have been a goal.

    For instance, I can only recall one chance in the first half and one in the second where I felt Huddersfield, could have scored. I do not count things like long range efforts which Foster saves because, well, that’s his job (although he is very good at it) and the effort was a sort of great long range effort. No way would I put that in my, could have been 4-4, 6-3, etc.

    I guess semantics says it’s the difference between saying should and could so in that respect I’d say we should have had at least 3 more goals. I’d class Sema not passing to Gray as far more of a could than almost all Huddersfield chances although they had some great efforts at goal.

    Just curious really. I’d say Huddersfield were unfortunate not to score but to suggest they could have had 3, 4, odd I feel is stretching it. May just be my poor recollection.
     
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  6. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player


    You'd expect both Deulofeu (open goal after going round the keeper) and Hughes (side foot punt straight to the keeper when set up clear on the edge of the 6 yd box by Pererya's backheel) to have scored normally. So that'd make it 5 if you include the 'probables'.

    Of the 'possibles' there was Pererya's shot over the bar/keeper tip over right at the end, there were a two or three where Deulofeu shot over or wide. There were a hatful where the final pass was just off, or hit a defender's heels or whatever and even more like the one you mention where the final pass was missed.

    If we were really clinical, we could have had 8 or 9. Perhaps that's what Gracia means when he says he was disappointed with our performance!
     
  7. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Whilst in some ways, WW1 could be viewed as a stage in the ongoing conflicts between France and Prussia/unified Germany, the fact that it became a *world* war was recognised by many at the time as meaning a different approach should have been taken to the post-war settlement. The USA in particular took this view and were very concerned by French intransigence. In this context, notwithstanding the French anxiety over potential future German militarism, the retributive approach taken was widely viewed at the time as counter-productive at best.
     
  8. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    If we accept the deep-rooted militaristic nature of German society at the time, the restrictions placed on Germany's armed forces, the de-militarisation of the Rhineland etc could be used by right wing demagogues as definitive *proof* that the "stab in the back" was fact. The economic meltdown afforded such demagogues more grist to their mill, no matter what actual real impact Versailles had on that. It is no coincidence that the main strength of the right wing parties' street mobs came from disaffected ex soldiers....denied victory and then forcibly demobilised by Versailles, so denied worthwhile employment.

    A mutual demobilisation to agreed "normal" peacetime levels may well have "thwarted....the Nazis".

    Maybe we should form a subset for those holding a history degree to protect others from all this!
     
  9. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    Not sure why Britain is being absolved of any blame. It was a whole heap of willy waving amongst Europe's powers itching for a rumble that was the powder keg for that war.
     
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  10. Beekayess

    Beekayess Reservist

    I take your point about Foster's job is to save long range efforts, but ……… he tipped the long range effort onto the bar. Without doing so, it would have gone in. He got down well to save another couple of chances (one of which provoked the cheesy grin on the ball) and they had at least one chance that was off target (particularly in the opening 10 minutes). As I said, it could have been 4-4.
     
  11. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Not disputing that, but we've now been discussing the impact of the terms imposed on Germany in the Versailles Treaty & their impact on subsequent events & whether the French were determined to demand unreasonable retribution. On that subject, the French were most certainly the main drivers.
     
  12. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I can’t stand keepers wasting time. I’m not a fan of this nonsense from Foster at all to be honest.
     
  13. Siohmy

    Siohmy Reservist

    Yep. It’s very much an interpretation thing. Don’t get me wrong this wasn’t a dig but curious as to how people arrive at the conclusions. My personal line leans towards what are considered clear openings/chances which are not converted. Your line appears more towards, many keepers would not have stopped that, as well.
     
  14. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    The two are, I would have thought, inextricably linked. Germany didn't start nor cause the First war, they just lost it; hence Versailles Treaty and all that ensued.
     
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  15. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Except, I believe, a distinction can be drawn between the actions of 2 countries being partly culpable for the starting of the war & their differing approaches & associated culpability to the peace settlement that followed.
     
  16. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    Have no clue what you are saying there by if you are saying that the victors' punitive measures against Germany directly led to the rise of the Third Reich then I absolutely agree with you.
     
  17. French politics were driven by a deep and bitter hatred of Germany and demand for revenge (the origin of the word Revanchism) since the 1871 war.

    All participants share blame.
     
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  18. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    I thought Britain sent troops across the channel in 1914 because it had a longstanding treaty obligation to protect the sovereignty of Belgium - but I could be wrong as I don't have a history degree.....
     
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  19. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    I was contrasting the apportionment of blame for starting the war (of which Britain should accept its share) with the apportionment of blame for the overly punitive terms of Versailles. This was in response to your comment about "Britain being absolved of blame"; for the former, no, for the latter much more so than is the case for France.
     
  20. Ray Knight

    Ray Knight First Year Pro

    It should be added that Britain and France were completely drained by a war that neither wanted or had prepared for. Admittedly GB wanted to maintain naval parity with Germany but we had more trade routes to protect. As for Germany in the early years of the Weimar Republic it very much looked like the communists led by Rosa Luxembourg and others would force a revolution. Lots of demobbed soldiers like Hitler ensured this did not happen due to their street thuggery.
     
  21. Leighton Buzzer

    Leighton Buzzer Reservist

    Why do we have wars?

    Because the world is ruled by an elite group of psycopaths, who own the banks, that control the governments and media.
    They fund both sides in the war for profit, and they manufacture the consent of the public, through the propaganda of the media.
     
  22. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    "You keep the young ones paralysed,
    Educated by your lies
    And keep the old ones happy with "the news"
     
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  23. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    I do have a history degree and you are correct sir. Britain were hardly blameless though, the desire to have the biggest empire certainly played a part.
     
  24. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Also lots of money to be made by the military industrial complex etc. Always results in the rich getting richer.

    Love it when a thread goes off topic.
     
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  25. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Two favourite "jokes" of/for historians:
    1. The first is the "Holy Roman Empire" as it was neither "Holy" nor "Roman" or much of an "Empire".
    2. The second is in this
    where Winfrey is called back for one last case as "...the Germans are trying to start the War a year early..."
     
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  26. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    If the Uk was invaded right now, how much time would you spend debating whether we were being dominated or being ruled?
    All this started over a question whether the German players of Huddersfield were embarassed or not. The remembrance day ceremonials are (and have been for a long time) adapted to stand for all conflicts, including the Second World War, when our freedom was very much under threat.
    (It shouldn't embarass them: None of them were born at the time of WW2 and so they are in no way responsible.)
     
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  27. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    I started this debate and never suggested the Germans were embarrassed. My point - which may not have been clear - was that we were discourteous to them. It's not about them, it's about us
     
  28. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Almost right. The desire to KEEP the biggest empire....
     
  29. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    ********. We have wars because of tribal hatreds and because if you don't want to be bullied or invaded by others you have to be prepared to fight even if you don't want to (e.g. WW2). There are also regime change wars instituted by do-gooders (e.g. Iraq) and countries sucked into wars through the unfortunate effect of defensive alliances (e.g WW1).
     
  30. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    OK UB, I take your point; but I just don't think it was discourteous. I think we're going to have to agree to differ.
     
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  31. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    That's true, but it was outweighed by the German government's (and people's) opinion that it should no longer be looked down upon by Britain and France
     
  32. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    So what did we think of the Huddersfield match?
     
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  33. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    I'm just shocked so many of you have a pointless history degree.
     
  34. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    One of the properties of a football forum is the tendency of subscribers towards succintness, leading to triteness and shallowness, frequently flavoured by insults. Football is a complex game because it is played by humans and most of the comments don't really cut it.
    But the causes and nature of whole World Wars has occupied goodness knows how many historians for entire careers and indeed lifetimes. I see a full mixture of sage points all the way through to trite nonsense being written on here, but do we really think these one-liners and small paragraphs solve the mysteries?
    The pity is this thread should be discussing a good and interesting win over Huddersfield, which I think I will try to hold myself to.
     
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  35. Interesting program called Armstice on Netflix at the moment, examines the issues created by ww1 that contributed to ww2
     

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