Academy And Under-23s

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  1. El distraído

    El distraído Johnny Foreigner

    For anyone that needs a refresher, this kid was in our academy only 5 years ago and was linked with some of the biggest clubs in Europe.

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/breaki...d/news-story/e52ca3acda61b9808e26b44f0b330666

    Saw online last night that since leaving Watford, he spent about a year and a half out of football before leaving the game completely. Sad really, for someone who apparently had so much talent. Perhaps he made some bad decisions or prehaps he just felt he didn't want to be a footballer. Who knows eh?
     
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  2. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    Speaking of failed wonder kids, what happened to Panos Armenakas?
     
  3. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Free agent released by Panathinaikos. Barely played for them so unsurprising. Has failed to develop. League 1/2 fodder.
     
  4. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

    A new intake of scholars was announced today with the club commenting five of the nine are from Watford. Sadly they didn't indicate which five.
    https://twitter.com/WatfordFC/status/1283386080117612546?s=20

    Each are on a 2-year scholarship.

    Six have been included in the Under-18 page on the official site but actual information is non-existent at the moment.

    Alfie Marriott ('keeper? - I'm 99.99% sure Alfie is a g/k))
    Will Hall (defender? - I think he's a left-footed & tall centre-back)
    Adian Manning (midfielder?) https://www.watfordfc.com/teams/watford-under-18-under-18/players/adian-manning
    Damani Hunter (forward?) https://www.watfordfc.com/teams/watford-under-18-under-18/players/damani-hunter
    Enoch Muwonge (forward) https://www.watfordfc.com/teams/watford-under-18-under-18/players/enoch-muwonge
    Ryan Andrews (?) https://www.watfordfc.com/teams/watford-under-18-under-18/players/ryan-andrews
    Shaqai Forde (?) https://www.watfordfc.com/teams/watford-under-18-under-18/players/shaqai-forde
    Ben Smith (?) https://www.watfordfc.com/teams/watford-under-18-under-18/players/ben-smith
    Freddie Moriarty (?)
     
  5. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

  6. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Is this the real life, is this just fantasy?
     
  7. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    In my fantasy, he’s the son of Fabian Forde, sent to score the goals his father scored for my Watford team on an early version of Champ Man.
     
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  8. Marriott is a keeper, and apparently really very tall.

    He's a Watford lad.
     
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  9. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Had all the potential in the world. Joined us.

    End.
     
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  10. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Had all the potential in the world. Joined us.

    Ends up hating football.
     
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  11. El distraído

    El distraído Johnny Foreigner

    Very sad. Being tipped as such a talent along with fellow Aussie Zaneddeine, I wonder why they both failed to develop?
     
  12. magic

    magic Statto & Vordamen's lovechild

  13. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Well it looks like Cassidy has just signed a two extension. What's up with him...
     
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  14. magic

    magic Statto & Vordamen's lovechild

    He's been home in Dublin training since lock down, looks in great shape to be honest.
    He's back to the UK next week to get ready for preseason..

    I thought he'd be looking for out as he was promised football this season but I suppose with how things went he's being realistic.
     
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  15. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Yes when you put it like that it's the most sensible choice for the lad. Hopefully Deeney is right about him and he can kick on.
     
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  16. magic

    magic Statto & Vordamen's lovechild

    I do think he'll do well, what level he can reach and maintain is up to him.

    A little bit of good news is welcome this week :)
     
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  17. simpleMASH

    simpleMASH Reservist

    Championship top scorer 2020/21.
     
  18. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    For some one else probably
     
  19. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Not seen much of him tbf but I do agree it's nice to have some good news in all this turmoil.
     
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  20. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    @The Recluse

    Question for you, as you seem an expert on the subject.

    Do you have any idea how many players we've released at youth level since 2012?
     
  21. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

    I've no idea is the honest answer. I wouldn't even know where to begin to look to find an answer either, sorry.

    (I'm no expert either, they're just opinions. I only really took an interest in the youth set-up two or three years ago when I started to go to home games regularly after becoming bored with first team football).
     
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  22. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    No worries, you seem to know more than most so was worth an ask.
     
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  23. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

    I may have found a way to find out. Leave it with me...
     
  24. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

    @GoingDown - Here is an updated and I think comprehensive list of youth & U18/U23 players released either at the end of their contracts, released to be able to join a club on a free transfer or released by mutual agreement. I haven't included those sold for a fee who were U23, U18 or academy scholars.

    I make it a total of 67 players.

    Please, anyone, feel free to point out mistakes or add player names because I'll be surprised if I managed to find everyone released at youth level since the Pozzo's have taken over.

    May 2012
    Michael Bryan - released
    Chez Isaac - released

    August 2012
    Gavin Massey - free transfer (Colchester United)

    February 2013
    Matty Whichelow - released by mutual agreement

    June 2013
    Kyle Connolly - released
    Jordon Wilmore - released
    Austin Eaton - released
    Kameron English - released

    June 2013
    Jack Bonham - free transfer (Brentford)
    Piero Mingoia - released (joined Accrington Stanley)
    Aaron Tumwa - released
    Stephan Hamilton-Forbes - released

    July 2014
    Gary Woods - free transfer

    May 2014
    Arie Ammann - released
    Li Myeong Choi - released
    Kunle Otudeko - released
    Harry Kyprianou - released

    May 2015
    Luke O’Nien - released (joined Wycombe Wanderers)

    January 2016
    Connor Smith - free transfer (AFC Wimbledon)

    June 2016
    George Byers - released (joined Swansea City)
    Josh Doherty - released (joined Leyton Orient)
    Uche Ikpeazu - released (joined Cambridge United)
    Jorell Johnson - released (joined Hemel Hempstead Town)
    Mahlondo Martin - released (joined Kings Langley)
    Bernard Mensah - released (joined Aldershot Town)
    Luke Simpson - released (joined York City)
    Alfie Young - released (joined Hendon)

    August 2016
    Sean Murray - free transfer (Swindon Town)

    July 2017
    Ola Adeyemo - released (joined Valdres FK)
    Charlie Bannister - released
    Ogo Obi - released (joined Hemel Hempstead Town)
    Rhyle Ovenden - released

    July 2018
    Nathan Gartside - released (joined York City)
    Dennon Lewis - released
    Brandon Mason - released (joined Coventry City)
    Louis Rogers - released
    Charlie Rowan - released (joined Queens Park Rangers)
    Max Ryan - released
    David Sesay - released (joined Crawley Town)
    Connor Stevens - released (joined Wealdstone)
    Carl Stewart - released (joined Wingate & Finchley)

    August 2018
    Harvey Bradbury - free transfer (Oxford United)

    January 2019
    Jubril Adedeji - free transfer (Køge)
    Randell Williams - free transfer (Exeter City)

    July 2019
    Ashley Charles - released
    Andrew Eleftheriou - released (joined Dagenham & Redbridge)
    Sam Howes - released (joined Woking)
    Tom Leighton - released
    Michael Mullings - released
    Kai Sanders - released
    Sam Sesay - released
    Ryan Suckling - released
    Ben Tricker - released (joined Fulham)

    June 2020 - the following have all been released and are now able to sign for a new club
    Emmanuel Adebiyi
    James Hoskins
    Harry Hudson
    Ryan MacLean
    James Matthews
    Imaad Sankoh
    Harvey White
    Jamal Balogun
    Jayden Bennetts
    Michael Folivi
    Lewis Gordon
    Cameron Green
    Kaylen Hinds
    Alex Jakubiak
     
  25. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Folivi, Jakubiak and Cameron Green were all highly rated at one time, but I suppose they have not lived up to their potential. Lets hope none of them come back to bite us on the bum :D
     
  26. simpleMASH

    simpleMASH Reservist

    I remember Jakubiak playing in that final day humiliation against Huddersfield, 1-4 under Beppe. We’ve won promotion, spent half a decade in the Prem and been relegated again since then. Mad he’s still been on our books all this time.
     
  27. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    He wanted to leave a while back but the club wouldn't sell him unless he signed a new contract.

    Crazy business .. again !
     
  28. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

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  29. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

  30. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

    Supposedly, the powers that be will confirm the end of Academy league competitions tomorrow with the final positions decided by Points-Per-Game (PPG).

    This means our previously U23 PDL2 (South) table topping side are demoted to second, with Millwall claiming the title by 0.02 of a point.

    Screenshot 2020-08-05 at 18.25.39 2.jpeg

    The U18 PDL (South) title also goes to Millwall with Watford gaining a position to finish in third.

    Screenshot 2020-08-05 at 18.26.08.jpeg

    (tables taken from YouthHawk)
     
  31. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    What does this all mean? Is 2nd a promotion spot, or are there normally play-offs (and if there are, are they likely to go ahead?
     
  32. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Development_League#Professional_Development_League
    Watford play in the Professional Development League (southern division).

    No promotion or relegation in the PDL but there is in the Premier League Youth Divisions, which Watford aren't a part of.

    To find an overall champion in the PDL there is a play-off, presumably between the winners of the North and South divisions.
    The same goes for the U18 league.

    There hasn't been any news of the play-offs yet but if they go ahead they'll be between Millwall and Nottm. Forest at U23 level and Millwall vrs. Wigan at U18s.

    Chelsea won the PL2 Division 1 title (U23s) with Wolves relegated.
    West Ham (top) & Manchester United were promoted from PL2 Division 2.

    With the increased numbers of Category 1 academies from next season it looks like the PL2 Division 1 will be expanded to 13 teams with Division 2 going up to 14. Crystal Palace, Leeds & Burnley all join Division 2.

    Manchester City were PL2 Division 1 title winners at U18 level and Fulham the Division 2 winners.
    (Sunderland managed 1 point between their U23 & U18 PL2 sides all season!)
     
  33. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Only just seen this. Thank you for getting the info together. A scandal. Not one of these players was ever good enough?

    Though the lack of any real response to it says it all. No one cares. Day tripping, happy clapping ****s.
     
  34. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

    No worries GD.

    I've also found another player who, I think, was released in July 2019 - Reece Miller.

    Remember him? Promising forward who got involved in a brawl at Ascot.
    Miller later signed for his hometown club Aldershot to join their academy, and in March of this year signed his first professional contract with them.
    (https://www.theshots.co.uk/news-reece-miller-signs-first-team-contract/)
     
  35. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

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