Self Driving Cars

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Diamond, Nov 7, 2017.

  1. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

     
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  2. :eek: Me pizza's gonna be ruined
     
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  3. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    I mentioned this earlier in the thread but I expect the software in the cars will be able to update the maps on the fly. It'll be ever evolving. Google Maps will never be the same again.

    In other technology news, my company announced this morning that the 2020 Olympics in Japan will be broadcast totally in 8K. 8K cameras are also coming with 2TB onboard memory, (40 minutes of 8K video), try uploading that lot to Google Photos :eek:. The camera technology is moving so fast that the cars will be able to record literally everything. It's quite sinister when you think about it, they'll see everything we do outside the house.
     
  4. Without a map of what's ahead the car is completely blind. It would be like a blind person driving a normal car. It would have to edge it's way forwards at reduced speed using sensors to discover what it was heading into. It would be completely reliant on sensors, which may not work in heavy, rain, sleet, snow, if it can't see road signs because vision is blocked, it can't see the edge of the kerb....it would have to behave in a fail safe manner and stop. And there you are sitting in your stopped bubble car wondering what the f you do next. Maps are right now a vital ingredient, which is why everyone who's anyone in that industry has been busy paying billions for mapping companies.
     
  5. Legends

    Legends Reservist

    Look up LIDAR
     
  6. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Interesting.
    They've been using Red cameras @4K to produce HD output for donkeys years. It's useful to edit and master in a higher quality and then down sample for the end product to reduce inherent losses so I don't think we'll see 8K in the immediate future. I think it's be more for archival purposes in the same way that film or studio masters have been re-mastered years later when technology has allowed. The Blu-ray of the original Italian Job is absolutely stunning for example.

    HD is rarely broadcast at an acceptable quality due to compression with respect to bandwidth constraints. 4K HDR is stunning but again data requirements are massive HD multi channel audio tracks alone eat up multi gigabytes fairly quickly. We need a whole new broadcasting and transmission structure before we can see this stuff in our homes and 3 years isn't goign to cut it.



    *Most of the above is written as I've recently invested in 4K and the knowledge that it is obsolete has annoyed me a little.
     
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  7. I know it. Used a lot in large construction projects for example to create a 3D geospatial map and from that calculate how many millions of tons of earth need to be moved.

    How does that help a car which is 'blind' - it can't see road signs or kerbs because it's in a queue with a HGV on each side blocking vision to each side, it doesn't have a forward map so doesn't know what's ahead, and there is driving sleet with visibility down to 6 feet. How does the car make a logic decision without a reference map?
     
  8. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    That's exactly the situation when I don't want a thick human driving me.
     
  9. Lol agree, I'm the only thing I'd trust in that situation
     
  10. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    Which raises the question 'How clever does A.I. need to be to drive a car?'

    The answer is probably not that much, even flies can safely navigate around obstacles.
     
  11. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Apologies if this video is well known. It seems so extraordinary to me I wondered for a moment if it was a spoof with someone in a suit.

    I'm imagining what these will be capable of in even 10 years. My conclusion is we are all doomed.
     
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  12. nascot

    nascot First Team


    Skynet is real and we're all going to die.
     
  13. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    I've been predicting this for a couple of years. As soon as Murdoch takes over Netgear, He'll have the infrastructure and the media.
     
  14. The question I have is, if you were going to build a military robot (that ones been funded by the pentagon) why make it human like? Wouldn't it be better to design it around something at the top (physically) of the food chain like a leopard? Better at running, climbing etc
     
  15. fan

    fan slow toaster

    we could make it an apex predator, like the norovirus. but bigger!
     
  16. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    There are lots of different robot shapes, but bipedal is good for things bipeds do.
     
  17. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Other than to get a robot to ride a bike, there's no reason to build a bipedal robot, and even then you'd think that they would simply build a robot with two wheels and a sense of arrogance.
     
  18. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Give it a sense of reckless entitlement and it could even drive a Merc or a Range Rover.
     
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  19. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    "Me,with a brain the size of a planet and they ask me to park cars.Wretched".
     
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  20. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

    What with the Pozzos background in mechanical engineering and our contacts with the Football Manager gaming people, i think we are in a prime position to introduce the worlds first fully automated team manager.

    Rather than get a new one in every season we could simply upload new software. We may need to disable the "leave when better offer comes in" function though.
     
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  21. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  22. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

  23. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

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  24. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    Not least the height difference. Impossible for the cameraman to get both their heads in shot at the same time.
     
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  25. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  26. Certainly tragic - but it does beg the question "Who do you sue when hit by a driver-less car (and it's not your fault)?"
     
  27. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Inevitably someone will call to tell you.
     
  28. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Play football.
     
  29. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Yes it's awful and makes it hard to push my own agenda on this, (I'm very pro), with this fresh in the mind. One thing I saw in the report was that she wasn't using a crossing so I'm assuming they're saying she crossed in the middle of the road. People die every day on the roads by walking into traffic leaving the driver unable to react in time to stop the collision, and even more unfortunately the group that tends to do this the most is teenagers.
    As I said earlier in the thread, the weakest point in self driving is humans, but I was only saying that with respect to them being behind the wheel of non self driving cars. It seems obvious that if this technology does evolve and become common place then you'll only be able to cross roads at official crossing points, which I really don't like the idea of. Deaths on the road I like even less though.
     
  30. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Key part of the article:

    So the human driver didn't spot the victim either. Too early to jump to solid conclusions, but it's a likely indication as to where the culpability lies.
     
  31. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It’s not clear that a human driver who only has to react in an extreme circumstance is as attentive as an ordinary driver anticipating danger more widely. It’s not like for like. A normal driver and she might still be alive.

    The crossing info is a bit dubious. Most times humans cross a road they don’t do so at a crossing. Self driving cars need to cope with this with humungous reliability to be considered safe. It’s almost as if it is being suggested she chose not to use a crossing, hinting at blame, but it may be a road without one.
     
  32. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Obviously a thorough investigation needs to take place but the simple fact is that self drive cars will not totally eliminate accidents and deaths on the road.

    On occasions the vehicle will not, because of the laws of physics, be able to avoid a collision and, even when it can, it may have to make a choice between potentially bad outcomes e.g. crashing into a group of children on a pavement or running down the person in front of them.

    Even if this death has been caused by the car I think the technology will save a lot of lives in the long run. In the UK, on average, there are about 5 deaths on the roads per day. Most of those are down to human error.
     
  33. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    A normal driver and the driver might be dead too, along with someone in an adjacent lane or on the other side of the road. Lets not jump to conclusions. It doesn't prove anything.

    Furthermore, if the safety driver was proven to be less attentive than they should have then it hardly offers a ringing endorsement of the reliability of human drivers.

    The crossing info is non-existent, like any other info about what actually happened. Not that it has prevented people from trying to score points already.

    Fact is Tesla alone drove over 200 million miles last year and this is the first fatality, which thus far we don't even know was actually the fault of the car. That matches up incredible favourably against human drivers, even if the car is 100% to blame.

    Regardless, the bar isn't 0% error rate. It's to be better at driving than people (who are VERY flawed drivers), which thus far they are comfortably proving to be even in the early stages of the tech.
     
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  34. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Score points? You’ve done nothing but in both posts. I’d say wait for the evidence, but it’s clear how that will be spun.
     
  35. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Funny how that tends to happen after someone injects their own bias into things, isn't it?

    The investigation hasn't even happened yet, never mind being shared with the public, but the fix is in already! Good to know.
     

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