Points Progress 17/18

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Davidmsawyer, Aug 12, 2017.

  1. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    Hello all,

    I'm on holiday at the moment so can't do my normal graphs, but here is the the current progress against previous years in a slightly more trimmed back format...

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  2. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    Can't get tinypic to work.. will try again later - sorry
     
  3. Davidmsawyer

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  4. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    Ah there you go - I hope it was worth the wait - very insightful...
     
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  5. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

  6. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

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  7. Nnnn

    Nnnn First Team

    One point from our first game. It's fast becoming a WFC tradition.
     
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  8. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

    Didn't you take your spirit level on holiday ffs :p
     
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  9. Meh!

    Meh! Pre-Dictator

  10. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    we scored three goals, I think we need graph to compare with all the other years since Sky invented football
     
  11. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    Hello,

    I'm still on holiday so the hand drawn graphs are still the only option, but I've added a little Silva smile to it this week! I always had high hopes for him but the early signs are even better; if nothing else at least I enjoy following Watford again.

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  12. Davidmsawyer

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    Sorry for the double post, I put the wrong image up - not a bad one, but not befitting of Marco ;)

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  13. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Can you add an OK Quique and a sad Wally please?
     
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  14. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    Direct fixture comparison:
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  15. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I like this graph, a lot easier to follow than last years.

    Although last years was very well done, I found the amount of different graphs a little confusing at times to be honest :confused:
     
  16. EB Hornet

    EB Hornet Reservist

    Good work David and Tom, keep this up all year, nice to see and compare.
     
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  17. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    Well - a point gained there...

    The current position is:
    • 4 points better than this time last year (5 vs 1). This is 1 better than after the last game.
    • 3 points better than the comparable fixtures last year (5 vs 2). This is the same as after the last game
    • 2 points better than the '40 point' line (5 vs 3). This is the same as after the last game

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  18. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    unbeaten after 3 what's not to like?
     
  19. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

    Welcome back from your hols David.

    You found your spirit level I see but did you lose your ruler?
    (Is there a reason the 40 point line is not straight in the second graph)?
    Cheers
     
  20. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Not being pedantic but shouldn't it be rule instead of ruler?
     
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  21. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

    Have I been outpedantic-ed?
    But I think both can be used.
     
  22. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    I have 12 inches but I don't use it as a rule.
     
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  23. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Maybe you should try and use it. Correctly I may add.
     
  24. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    When she said "you've got a foot" she was referring to the shape not the length
     
  25. Leighton Buzzer

    Leighton Buzzer Reservist

    Is t not straight enough?
     
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  26. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    The current position is:<ul><li>4 points better than this time last year (8 vs 4). <i>This is the same as after the last game.</i></li><li>5 points better than the comparable fixtures last year (8 vs 3). <i>This is 2 better than after the last game.</i></li><li>4 points better than the '40 point' line (8 vs 4). <i>This is 2 better than after the last game.</i></li></ul>[​IMG]<BR/>[​IMG]
     
  27. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    Okay... I think the forum doesn't work with my formatting from last year so please ignore all the web syntax in my message, I'll sort that out next week!

    Some questions were correctly asked about my wobbly 40 point line - I forgot to explain this last week! As it is a comparable fixture graph, I thought I come up with a 40 point line that replicated our comparable fixtures. But I knew one-off fixtures aren't always representative as you one-off games off football throw up surprise. Therefore the patented "David' s 40 point" line groups teams into their positions and then works out, based on previous Watford results in the last 2 years, how many points you would expect to get from the game. The groupings are as follows:
    • Top 6 teams (excluding Watford if we happen to finish here)
    • Middle 7 teams
    • Bottom 6 teams (excluding Watford when we did finish here
    It also factors in home and away results.

    In the grand scheme of things all of this analysis was a bit of a waste of time, but hey I'm a geek, so please humor me!
     
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  28. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    Not a waste of time at all.

    Great stats . Keep up the good work.
     
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  29. Sting

    Sting Squad Player

    You do great work on this thread and I really enjoy it so if you are a geek then I am too.
    Couple of things though - your legend for the two previous years looks much the same though one comes out with dashes - should you change colours? Also your graph against comparable teams shows we were behind the previous year for the whole of last year - is that really true? The other graph shows us ahead and behind at times and I would have thought both would show that.
     
  30. jw-

    jw- Reservist

    The presentation of points vs. comparable teams is dependent on the order of the fixtures, unlike points vs. number of games. You can see that there are sharp increases in the 16/17 season in the middle of the season, but they aren't sufficient to make up the poor start.

    It would be interesting to make three graphs at the end of the season. All being points vs. comparable teams, but ordered by the fixture list from one of the past three seasons.
     
  31. Sting

    Sting Squad Player

    Thanks for that - stupid of me - yes it shows the order going on this season's fixtures not last year. What it does show is how few points we might have expected in the opening dozen or so fixtures this year if we performed as we did last year. Thankfully that has not happened.
     
  32. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    I did double check the very slow start to last year's graph when I first pulled it together as it looked weird! We just happened to do really badly in all those games last year.
     
  33. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    Sorry about the lack of update last week - my computer wasn't working and then I had a really busy week. But now I'm back free again, and things are looking rosy!

    The current position is:
    • 4 points better than this time last year (11 vs 7). This is 3 better than after the last game.
    • 7 points better than the comparable fixtures last year (11 vs 4).This is 2 better than after the last game.
    • 5 points better than the '40 point' line (11 vs 6). This is the same as after the last game.

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  34. Sting

    Sting Squad Player

    Excellent - thanks David
     
  35. poleman

    poleman Reservist

    Thanks for the update. Unless I'm reading this wrong- I thought we drew away to B'mouth in both 15/16 and 16/17. The "Comparable Fixtures" graph above appears to show we took 3 points in 15/16.
     

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