Music Plagiarism

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Ghost of Barry Endean, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. Lana Del Ray is being sued by Radiohead for what is the most obvious piece of borrowing I can remember. What's your favourite rip-off?



     
  2. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Probably when radiohead ripped off the hollies
     
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  3. With the Hollies / Radiohead it's just part of the chord progression. With Radiohead /Del Ray it's pretty much all of it, chords, melody, structure. The Hollies / Radiohead one is less clear cut than, say, Jethro Tull Eagles:



    (The Eagles supported Tull on a US tour apparently)
     
  4. barker

    barker Academy Graduate

    Lana is saying Radiohead want 100 per cent of the publishing - and, as the Hollies are on a cut of songwriting for Creep they'll get some more income rolling in soon... ...
     
  5. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

  6. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Do I not like it when black music is packaged up, sanitised, some plinky strings backing added and handed over to an inoffensive white crooner who gets a smash hit number one, whilst the original black artist remains in obscurity.

    See Rolling Stones, Elvis Presley, The Beatles etc.
     
  7. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    As Rowan Atkinson said "Andrew Lloyd Webber's latest rearrangement of Mendelsson's greatest hits".
     
  8. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Since recorded music has been available, unintentional ripping off has been unavoidable, and intentional ripping off even easier.

    But in the days before copyright, Handel and the like did it all the time.

    And when somebody pointed out to Brahms that he had ripped off Beethoven"s Ode to Joy theme, he replied "Any ass can see that."
     
  9. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Multi milionaire claims losses from another multi millionaire.

    In other news pensioners freeze becasue they can't pay their leccy bills.
     
  10. Simmos

    Simmos First Year Pro

    Bon Jovi - Livin' on a prayer/ Belinda Carlisle - Heaven is a place on earth
     
  11. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    The Eagles, or to give them their correct name: Linda Ronstadt's backing band.
     
  12. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Really? Had never occurred to me.
     
  13. Simmos

    Simmos First Year Pro

    Not sure if I am being whooshed by you Keighley but if not, in my opinion, the chorus of both songs are almost identical
     
  14. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Elvis' birthday today.

    Bowie's also.
     
  15. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    No, genuinely it had never occurred to me. I can see that they are similar but when I first heard the Belinda Carlisle song I don't remember thinking that it sounded like Living on a Prayer. I guess the difference in genres and singing voices masked the similarity for me.
     
  16. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Baa Baa Black Sheep and Twinkle Twinkle Little Star
     
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  17. Jossy

    Jossy Reservist

    If you weren't aware of it - who did Huey Lewis get an out of court settlement from for ripping off this track? Listen and see if you recognise the tune from somewhere else!

     
  18. assuming Ray Parker Junior!
     
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  19. They were released pretty much at the same time.
     
  20. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Ghostbusters?
     
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  21. Jossy

    Jossy Reservist

    Correct! Fairly blatant when you listen to it!
     
  22. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

  23. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Pretty blatant ripoff by Lana Del Rey. Might as well be called Creep II.

    Vanilla Ice/Queen is probably the classic example for me.
     
  24. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    vanilla ice didnt try and blag that as his own though did he??
     
  25. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Yes, surely that was a sample? If that was plagiarism, half of the "hit parade" (as we youngsters say) of the past 25 years has been plagiarised. Puff Daddy and the Police is another obvious instance.
     
  26. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

  27. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

  28. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Well, what an absurd claim he made there then.
     
  29. kVA

    kVA Reservist

    Rue’s whistle from the hunger games vs the opening from our tune:


     
  30. kVA

    kVA Reservist

    Cat Stevens - Wild World
    Pet Shop Boys - It’s A Sin

    Cat Stevens didn’t appear to think so but filthy paedo Jonathan King did and accused PSB of plagiarism. Not one to steal an idea he released his own single with the Its A Sin melody and the Wild World lyrics. It flopped. He was taken to court for his accusations and lost. The damages received were donated to charidee.
     
  31. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member





    Musical composers have always borrowed themes, motifs, phrases from other composers but they then rework those themes by changing the mode, harmony, note intervals, note transposition which is far more complicated than mentioned in the original post. Horner, Williams often borrow a great deal of their material from the Russian composers Shostakovich, Prokofiev and others. Bartok;s spooky sounding music from his Concerto for Orchestra must have inspired many film scores trying to depict uncertainty and fear.​
     
  32. I think the Verve settled with the Stones on this - but in reality it is the Andrew Loog Oldham instrumental which was the 'inspiration' - if it had just been the Stones version I don't think anyone would have been any the wiser. In fact after looking into it, the deal with the Stones was that Richard Ashcroft would sign over songwriting rights to the Stones' publishing company (including lyrics) for $1,ooo, and it became one of the highest earning songs in their portfolio. For a record that sounds nothing like the original.



     
  33. I just had a thought which hadn't occured to me before - maybe there is a subtext about plagiarism in the Fat Les Vindaloo video...

     
  34. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

  35. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

    Featuring Paul Kaye (Dennis Pennis) as Richard Ashcroft. It's even filmed on the same street.
     

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