Javi Gracia

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  1. Malteser

    Malteser Squad Player

    Lol at ‘will sort this (our defence) out immediately’’

    4 minutes :(
     
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  2. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    You've just described two signs of good upper management.

    Only bad managers blindly accept what their subordinates say. Going to the floor and seeing for yourself (attending training) and holding skip meetings (talking directly to the squad) are how the very best operate.

    The bad ones are those who sit in an office and just leave someone to do whatever they want.
     
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  3. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Well that was a big improvement on 39 seconds. Plus it was only 1 goal. That's like a clean sheet to us.
     
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  4. Malteser

    Malteser Squad Player

    Yes lol. A whole 87 minutes with a clean sheet since.
     
  5. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

  6. Bookie

    Bookie Academy Graduate

    Apparently, Gracia has already chucked a sickie with the flu, though supposed to be travelling to Stoke!! Sounds like there is some unofficial sickness rota at Watford FC!!
     
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  7. reids

    reids First Team

    He'll do an Oscar Garcia if we lose tonight and quit due to health problems.
     
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  8. Jossy

    Jossy Reservist

    Having read various descriptions/accounts of Gracia in the press after his appointment - it was often mentioned how he'd set his team up to combat the specific opposition in front of him.

    Looking back at the game yesterday after the emotion has subsided - you could argue that we did a number on Stoke. Lambert has said in the press how difficult his team found it; Stoke fans on Twitter (without irony) are apoplectic about our tactics - feigning injury and time wasting (yes, really); and their local press has run an article about the game setting a record for the ball being in play for the least amount of time in a premier league match (we still had more possession than them, despite being the away side - and perhaps they could have stopped with the rugby tactics in order to let the game flow a little better).

    I wonder if this was just an example of the coach setting us up to be generally more organised and harder to beat - or if it was actually a tailor-made plan to spoil and frustrate Stoke, essentially playing them at their own game?

    It will be interesting to see if we're slightly easier on the eye over the next few games depending on who we're playing - or if it'll be ugly, grinding out points style tactics from here on in?
     
  9. wingco

    wingco Reservist

    It's difficult to dish out too much praise for spoiling tactics, but I agree he deserves credit.

    Using Mariappa as an auxiliary centre half was clever, but again I don't think it takes a genius to see the Janmaat is hopeless. He also managed to force Capoue not to hide by getting him to sit deeper.
     
  10. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Think we led most of the stats tbf. Looked like we had the better of the game from what I saw!
     
  11. Sting

    Sting Squad Player

    He is a brilliant coach. We have 13 games left and we will not concede a single goal so will get a minimum of 13 points taking us to 40 and safety.
     
  12. barker

    barker Academy Graduate

    Good post Jossy. Difficult to tell just how deliberate some of the play was, but the entire team will have presumably remembered Stoke frustrating us earlier in the season. Since Silva lost interest we have often looked hopelessly naive, so a bit of pragmatism is a good thing. We did create some occasional good moves at Stoke ... as you say, it will be interesting to see if and how our style and game management varies with Gracia.
     
  13. Rontaylor

    Rontaylor Reservist

    I think "pragmatic" may well turn out to be a good description of life under Gracia. We may lose less games but there won't be much flowing football.
     
  14. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

  15. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    Got to say it's fairly impressive to see us transform into a side that was easy to best, into a team that is rugged and stoke are moaning about (stoke ffs).

    In GTs second spell I saw a similar transformation in his first game, I believe it was sir Thomas Mooney that had a role of winning headers on the left wing against their small full back. We just played a simple yet effective game and it worked a treat.

    I suspect the first phase of operation Gracia is to make us compact and hard to beat. We've got the players to turn our 25 minutes of good stuff into goals
     
  16. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    In GT’s first game back we conceded 3 goals at home (Ipswich?) and lost from being 2-0 up. It was chaos?
     
  17. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    So it doesn't look like there's been a new manager bounce. Well I disagree. There were clear improvements last night.

    Defensively we rode our luck a little bit, but the Stoke chances were reduced. Strangely we struggle to score against Stoke. They've conceded 50 goals this season, and in 2 games we've contributed zero to that total.

    So in Gracia's 2 away games we've conceded 1 goal.

    He's identified the biggest weakness in Janmaat and replaced him with a central defender, who played extremely well. I think that's embarrassing for Janmaat, to be replaced by a central defender, but I think he'll be gone in the summer.

    There are pluses. Good debut from Deulofeu. Deeney looks far leaner and fitter, defence ARE far more organised, Capoue played well in a deeper midfield position, Holebas was putting in some quality crosses. Doucoure and Gray had some nice moments.

    Ok, it's small pieces, but I'm seeing it turning around. Attitude seems better, but we're at a delicate stage. We could have lost last night and confidence would take another hit, but we didn't. We got a valuable point, a clean sheet and there's now a little bit of hope whereas before there was none.
     
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  18. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

    177 minutes and counting ....

    With defenders who never play together for 2 games running and shot of confidence I’d say it’s not a bad start.
     
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  19. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    #SavingGracia
     
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  20. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    If he gets a tune out of Capoue he's already performed a miracle and therefore should be renamed Jesus Grazia.
     
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  21. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

    Guess he measn the 3rd coming.. when won the first 4 games.
     
  22. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Don’t listen to him Ron. Moog needs to learn to be fewer patronising.
     
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  23. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    You are Stannis Baratheon, one True King of Grammar, and I claim my five golden dragons.
     
  24. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

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  25. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

  26. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Marco Silva was nowhere FLUENT in English. Neither is Gracia.
     
  27. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    QSF unlucky to be held by Barca just now.

    Jurado running the midfield vs Iniesta, Busquets, etc.
     
  28. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Puel speaks the best English among the current Prem managers.

    Dalglish possibly the least intelligible in the ‘Prem era’.
     
  29. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Running wasn't his problem. It was when he ran into blind corners or turned back and ran the other way that caused the aggro.
     
  30. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Actually he was pulled off (Vydra style) after an hour but was centre mid in a team beating Messi, Suarez, etc.
     
  31. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Quite. Not just you miked2006. Me too. Way too claustrophobic. Get an office at the Vic. instead Gino.
     
  32. Sting

    Sting Squad Player

    You do not need your boss constantly breathing down your neck - that's what office spies are for.
     
  33. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    No, no and no again. If you've just hired a new departmental head then you should be able to trust him to run his department (after all, you appointed him) without the need for micro-management on a daily basis. Especially interfering on the playing side of things which you personally have very little knowledge of. By all means get involved less often. Once a fortnight say.

    Strikes me that this may be the most important aspect of the generic problem leading to nine changes in 5 1/2 years. Constant, in-your-face, interference. That would piss me off no-end. And I suggest it pissed Marco Silva off PRIOR to the Everton approach and a number of the previous incumbents too.
     
  34. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    This reminds me of the time I ran a customer support department. The MD had a brainwave after watching one of those "back to the floor" type programs. He decided to spend a day on the phones with us. He managed 2 calls and one irate customer before the whole plan was shelved.:D
     
  35. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Squad Player

    An ode to our new managers and the 0-0's that will keep us up:

    When we're struggling to score,
    But we still get a draw,
    That's Gracia...

    When we're dead on our feet,
    But we get a clean sheet,
    That's Gracia...

    When we don't cross or shoot,
    But we put in a boot,
    That's Gracia...

    When we barely compete,
    But we avoid defeat,
    That's Graciaaaaaa!
     
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