Covid-19 Virus

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Hornet4ever, Jan 30, 2020.

  1. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    It's just more tinkering trying to reach an impossible goal. None of the nonsense announced today is going to suppress the virus but Boris can't square the circle that increasing numbers of people don't support a large scale lockdown again. He's kicked the can down the road for another fortnight at best.
     
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  2. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Shutting pubs early is no going to do anything to assist with Covid spread and either strangle the industry further or cause huge issues for landlords trying to kick people at closing time.
     
  3. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    What was observed was that the longer people drank the less social distancing was followed, shutting the pubs early will have a small impact on transmission rates but probably not that significant.
     
  4. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    I wonder if it's more likely people will drink quicker and it'll cause more issues as they're all tipped out at the same time rather than leaving over an extended period in smaller groups.
     
  5. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Yup. I'm not against the concept - it's probably true that those after after 10pm tend to be further towards pissed than earlier in the evening and so less likely to abide by the social distances and mask rules. It's all very anecdotal though and I doubt there's a solid scientific basis for that conclusion.

    That was always the justification for the massively increased licensing hours under Labour, but in reality it just moved the big booting out time from 11pm to 3am in every town centre across the land.
     
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  6. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

  7. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Squad Player

    Covid-19 is a right palaver.
     
  8. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Then I shall have to start at 12.30 on Saturday.
     
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  9. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    Most of the pubs around here have been shutting early post lockdown anyway - not sure why. Most are now closed by 10pm.
     
  10. wimbornet

    wimbornet Reservist

  11. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Last month:
    Eat Out, Help Out

    This month
    Drink up, **** Off.
     
  12. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Yet a massive rise in positive cases in the UK, smashing through the 6000 mark.
     
  13. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    We need to look at hospital admissions and excess deaths really. We can't compare positive cases as a number when there was bugger all testing to positive cases when there was lots of testing.

    1 positive out of 10 tests in February can't be compared to 10 out of 100,000 tests in September. On the face of it it looks like 10x the cases but as a percentage of tests February was at 10% and September is at 0.01%. - For example.

    Look at the new cases vs deaths graphs here.
    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=covid+statistics
     
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  14. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    We should only be reporting cases that have needed hospitalisation and of course death, as they are the only ones that really matter, why record a sniffle or a cough it's just crazy and blows the whole thing out of proportion.

    The whole thing is pretty much "mass hysteria" that has caused an unnecessary world wide medical and financial meltdown IT'S MADNESS!!!
     
  15. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Look into sufferers of 'long covid'. Just because you don't need treatment in a hospital, doesn't mean this virus can't have a huge, long-lasting impact on your life.
     
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  16. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    A worrying additional aspect of the virus indeed, but not enough to justify shutting down the economy again if hospitals can cope with critical cases.
     
  17. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team

    Its clear that we have nowhere near as many cars as we did in the last ramp up.

    It's also clear over the last couple of weeks there has been exponential growth.

    So either we increase restrictions now to reduce the rate of spread and level it off even though not many people are getting ill, the negative is the economy and personal freedom.

    Or we wait until enough people are getting ill, more people are dying, and then increase restrictions now to reduce the rate of spread and level it off. That way we can always point to how many people are dying as a nice reminder of why we need the restrictions.
     
  18. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    The issue is that at present the cases are mainly in the children/youth populations. It will take 2 weeks for the grannies to catch it and another week or for them to end up in ITU. A further 2 weeks for them to die, so a 5 week lag before the death stats are impacted. If infections continue to grow at this rate there is no doubt we will be back where we were in March....is the NHS view.
     
  19. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Imposing heavy restrictions on and off for the next few years until they find a vaccine based off something you think might happen is nonsensical. We can't keep trashing the economy. People die of many diseases every year so in my view until health services look like they will be under pressure we just have to live with it.

    Wash hands, observe social distancing, no large events. The way people view COVID in a completely different way to any other illness is very odd. And people talk as if ruining the job market doesn't cost lives - they just view getting COVID down as if any other consideration is secondary. It's collective hysteria. And the Government are front and center as they react to one bit of news after the other and show dreadful leadership.
     
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  20. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Genuine question: Is it the NHS view? Their official position? The three people I've spoken to in NHS that wasn't their personal opinion at all. But perhaps it's not the official view they were stating of course.
     
  21. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    It's a difficult balancing act. There are plenty saying that we are killing the travel industries and entertainment sector and we just need to release restrictions. Plenty others saying it's getting out of control again and at-risk groups will see unnecessary deaths. I'm like you, I don't think we can afford to close the economy any further and it's down to everyone to look after themselves, and in doing that, they are also looking after everyone close to them. I might be less hard-nosed if I hadn't had it...
     
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  22. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Yes the NHS view. It's what they are expecting and planning for. Can't tell you how I know but I've heard it straight from the decision makers, or rather the guys who have to implement the govt decisions.
     
  23. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Absolutely. I'm not belittling the issue I think lock down should be stronger. 2-3 weeks of complete lockdown and 14 days enforced quarantine in and out of the country. In the long run it will be more successful and less economically damaging.

    I'm just pointing out that we need the right figures. Total number of confirmed cases is not useful because the way it has measured has changed over time. We need to look at a trend where the measurement process is the same. The graph that Witty showed the other day were on the whole speculation, it detracted from the very important message being made.
     
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  24. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    If you do a total lockdown for 3 weeks now it will be the final nail in the coffin for a number of businesses. A number of people I’ve spoken to said they just survived the last one and any further one for whatever period would be terminal. Anecdotal, but it’s not hard to imagine many companies are on their knees after the last year.
     
  25. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Appreciate you can’t divulge much but is it the actual NHS bosses or are they just being told what to do by the muppet rudderless panic merchants that form the Conservative Government?!!
     
  26. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Hopefully those worried about their jobs and businesses are at least doing their best to follow the guidelines as then the quicker this virus can be placed under control and some sort of normality.

    Sadly there will be some who think they are immune and don't feel they need to protect themselves or anyone else though no matter what threats are made or rules set.

    Not much you can do about them except hope it's a small selfish minority.
     
  27. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Without wishing to come over all tin-foil hatty, there's plenty of evidence in published SAGE documents that a key part of their strategy for responding to this is to scare people. If the general public isn't sufficiently concerned about Covid any attempts to change behaviour are bound to fail.
     
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  28. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    The former, though there may be some element of making sure they are ready for worst case predictions.
     
  29. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    It's a gradual wind down to appease some of the backbenchers - had Boris gone full-blown lockdown straight away they'd cause him all sorts of headaches in Parliament.

    I'm guessing we'll get a stricter lockdown if the R number doesn't come down to protect Christmas gatherings, can't see Boris wanting to be known as the PM that cancelled Christmas, certain elements who vote Conservative will lose their marbles if they did.
     
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  30. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    yes but again it's a balancing act though, scare sufficiently so that 95% do take care, but not too scared to go to work or send their kids to school....
     
  31. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Labour, had they been in power, would probably have us in a similar position. Don't forget rules are devolved, note that the SNP have pretty much the same rules as England, one stricter as in you can't visit someone outside your bubble in their home and one less strict as in the rule of 6 doesn't apply to under 11 year olds. If Christmas is to be 'cancelled' it will be so in all 4 parts of the UK.
     
  32. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    All of those ITK and at coal-face are gobsmacked the public compliance levels to the lockdown/isolation/behavoural changes are at this level now.
     
  33. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Agreed, there will need to be the necessary support and I think this is more affordable large hit for 3 weeks than continually extending furlough has to be unsustainable. Let's see what Rishi pulls out of his hat, but at some point all this support has to be paid for.
     
  34. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    It's proving to be a very beneficial exercise for governments everywhere.
     
  35. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Yes but it seems to be changing. Boredom. Frustration etc
     

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