City Fans

I had a go at "Where were you when although you regularly had crowds of 30k plus at Maine Road and then The Etihad,you weren't as rich as Croesus ?".
In truth I found it difficult to scan,to I just poked myself with my flag.

 

Our break away in the first half shows exactly how you can beat City. The one thing they do is over commit at times and if you are a good swift counter attacking side you’ll likely get some joy (Wolves).

A couple of key things though, our defence is not good enough and, outside that break on Saturday (which we still failed to score from) we also do not counter attack quite as well either.

I’m also not quite so sure Wolves will be as effective next year (see Leicester).


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Saw that too. Bushes flung around like rag dolls and a bunch of Watford fans storming out of the pub to take on the lairy City fans thinking they were safe throwing pints from behind the fences.

We may have got battered on the pitch but we definitely won the battle off of it!

 

Ultimately, no matter how good your midfield (and ours is very good, arguably better than some of the top 6), it's the defense which is key against the big teams as they're just so clinical. Improve there and I think our record against the big teams will improve pretty drastically, we've certainly held our own most of the time against them!



On the contrary, I think Leicester will do well next year, Rodgers is a good manager who's had a little time to bed in, and there are some good players there. Wolves might not do as well next season what with the extra fixtures across Europe on Thursdays, and the fact that they've got a small squad (and have had to make some of their loans permanent already meaning they might not be able to spend as much as they did this season), but I do think they'll establish themselves as a top half team

 

'Met' three lots on Saturday:

1) Getting on the train from E&BW a bloke and his young son who could/would not grasp the concept of a travelcard: "But I want to go to Wembley..."
2) Got on the train and two youngish Mancs were informing a "...Everton supporter..." (who incidently had the thickets cockney accent I've ever heard) that "...we only have to sell 10 kids like that one we sold to Southampton fpr £13M and there's your £130M transfer profit..."
3) On the tube to Chinatown a group of about 5 blokes (they must have left the match really early as my son and I didn't go to Wembley: went to the hockey at Lee Valley but were wearing WFC colours) started 'bantz' that were rapidly turning quite nasty. Luckily a large group of big black blokes got on at Holborn who thought we were travelling to Wembley to catch the last five minutes of the match (and found quite funny as I think it was 4-0 by then) which soon caused the Mancs to become very, very quiet.

 

Excellent fun with many older City fans on the Chiltern line up from Marylebone where our group of 20 had assembled in a pub shared with a similar number of City.

Couldn't have been a better day out at that point - good natured leg pulling, one City fan joined in with our yellow, red and black shots, alternate singing on the train. Proper old fashioned laugh.

I think that feeling lasted up until 5.20ish.....

 

Yes, they got slapped about a bit for that idiocy.

 

So would Accrington Stanley!

 

Can't help but feel Vydra would have buried that Pereyra chance.

Light touchpaper, back away...

 

Also kicked off in Golden Lion in Estcourt road early afternoon as some citeh fans staying in town ( as a lot do) walked in - after a few verbals fighting broke out , pub shut then reopened 30 minutes later once glass cleared away and tables returned to where they should be

 

This is becoming the Fermat's Last Theorem of the forum.

 

Joking aside, Vydra would combine much better with Del & Bobby.

He would also help Dre.

Tommy Smith came back.

 

Just realised how ridiculously unclear my original post was by not referencing that I meant Leicester’s follow up season to winning the league (not that anything would measure up but with a lack of manager support they were near the bottom for quite a while). I agree that Leicester would actually be my pick for 7th next season, or better with potentially Chelsea and Man Utd far from certain top 6.


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Seem to have made some real friends with City. Ok, they like us because they can beat us easily, but their forums and twitter is chock full of praise towards Watford fans. Saying how friendly we were, good humoured and gracious in defeat. Not a hint of trouble.

I much prefer this type of supporter rather than the in your face, goading wind up merchants. City fans are great. I have a new respect for them.

 

Better suited to us than Dyche's hoof-merchants, that's for sure.

 

All joking aside he probably would have, but he won't be coming back me thinks

 

I said at HT that it was a near identical scenario, haven't watched it back sober (and not sure I want to), so unsure how true that is in the cold light of day!

 

To be fair to Pereyra, he is one of the few in the side I’d want that chance to fall to with Ederson bearing down on him - it needed to be lifted over the GK and I think Pereyra does that 9 times out of 10...sadly Saturday was the other 1.

 

I saw Tommy leaving early at about 80 minutes. Probably fuming because he knew he'd have won if he was playing instead of Deeney.

 

How many times have you watched it drunk?

 

Tbf only the once, and even then I wish I was drunker.

 

I confess to not totally getting your line of thought either. I get and empathise that the 6-O is humiliating and that you additionally think we should not blame Man City’s riches.

But on the one hand you’re saying we are closer to silverware than we have been since the 80s which seems to imply we are doing better than we have for 30 years. Yet, despite seemingly acknowledging we are doing well you are simultaneously completely critical and down on the club and the team. Does not compute.

 

I've never forgiven them for Stevie Palmer's red card. Saturday is nothing in comparison.

 

Yep we are closer than at anytime since the 80s, which is why it's so maddening that heads dropped at 2-0 down!

Other teams that lack cities resources seem to be able to make a fight of it, why couldnt we? Especially when we are technically more gifted than the likes of brighton, swansea, palace, newcastle...

See also, most of our other matches v the top teams.

 

As will everybody, I think, fairly soon. A match between a couple of big-name Premier clubs is on a load of Chinese, Korean, American etc bucket-lists and so you can imagine gates will stay big. But they don't really care and will move on to the Houses of Parliament, pyramids, Niagara falls, Parthenon, blah blah..... The European Super-league will cater for that. But, without relegation, this will turn into a sort of Harlem Globe Trotters of football.
Not being the best any more will destroy the allure of the Premier L. The money will dwindle, the foreigners stay away; the pack of cards comes fluttering down.
Like tourists trampling over the Lake District, the success of the business model destroys the business model. (Help - makes me sound like some sort of Marxist - which is definitely a first!).
I like it when we thrash somebody, but really I like stiff competition - without it football is a waste of time.

 

TBF they made a fist of it at 0-2 at the start of the 2nd half, pushed fwd, had a couple of promising moments and then were cut to shred at the back as they tried to make the running.

 

I'd like to agree, but his first touch against Brighton was as poor as Pereyra's against City, the difference being that Pereyra had Emerson bearing down on him whereas Vydra had time and space for a perfect finish. So while I'd back Vydra's finishing over anyone in our current squad it isn't a nailed-on certainty that he would have scored.

 

fair dos, I was still supping rancid budweiser at that point.

 

If we are on MotD after Stonehenge, I'll be furious.

 

To beat the big boys, beyond luck, you need a competitive advantage to exploit.

Wolves use rapid counter attacking. Big teams all now like to throw their wing backs high up the pitch. Wolves are quick, skilful and direct on the counter which catches the top teams out. These teams then adjust by keeping some players back to protect against the counter, which makes it easier to defend against them.

We don't really have any competitive advantage. We have perhaps the best midfield if you exclude the top 6, which allows us to beat many of the teams below us. But we inevitably lose the midfield battle against the top 6, which exposes our incredibly average defence and attack.

 

Why didn’t you go for real ale? I had a pint of that foul tasting stuff shortly after entering the stadium thinking that was all they had. I’d forgotten just how awful it tastes (assuming I’d had the misfortune to drink it before) - literally the only pint I’ve had trouble finishing, made the likes of Carling and Heineken taste like the best German and Czech lagers in comparison. I nearly made myself sick when I bolted down some ale just to get rid of the taste.

 

Well, cut to shreds at the back after a truly horrifyingly awful freekick from BabyShark.

 

ffs until I read your post I had no idea they did real ale! I bought my booze from one of the food counters, dont think they did real ale there. What ale was it?

 

The one I had was Hobgoblin, can’t remember what the other one they sold was though. Was alright, though not a patch on the best northern ales. I don’t blame you for missing out though, I had to walk past many blocks to find it, and it was over an hour before KO. At half time when the crowd is massive you just want to get to a drink as quickly as you can.