[LOANED OUT] Adalberto Penaranda

Discussion in 'The Transfer List' started by Burnsy, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Of course not. You know the structure as well as anyone - Giraldi gets first dibs and then reports back to Gino.
     
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  2. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Personally I don't really understand why this video would result in his release; as far as I can tell the video doesn't even contain any sex, and the girl in prominent view is clothed (to a degree). She looks more like a stripper than anything else. Even if it was a sex party, as others have already said, so what?

    All that being said, we talk about Gray (rightfully) a lot, but Penaranda has pound for pound been a far worse signing. The only saving grace is that we didn't really actually pay that money for him; if we'd signed him for £10m (more than half Gray's fee) from, say, Flamengo, everyone would be going apeshit.
     
  3. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Doubt it is, nowhere says that explicitly. A sale, for absolutely nowhere near what we would have thought he might be worth when we first signed him, is most likely. Seems like an attitude issue, but who knows, if we'd given him a path to the first team, maybe he'd have turned out normal?
     
  4. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Shame. Could have been like a new signing for us this summer.
     
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  5. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I guess they are hoping they can cancel his contract on the basis of the video, effectively for gross misconduct. Saves his salary cost. Every little helps......
     
  6. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Pretty tame compared to the video of Dele Alli being ****** off by a ***** while his mates stood and cheered.

    Guess he had more value to the club.
     
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  7. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

    The only reasons I can think of as to why the club would release him because of this is the timing and it's not the first occasion his professionalism has been called into question.

    Sex parties (and I use that term loosely after seeing the footage) during a worldwide pandemic probably isn't the smartest thing.
    Gray was slaughtered publicly and punished by the club for having a birthday party and a bit of a kick-about. I'm pretty sure this was more of a potential health hazard.

    He questioned the head coach directly regarding some of the training routines while at Eupen, calling them pointless, was promptly dropped & didn't play for the club again.
    (https://www.hertfordshiremercury.co...news/forgotten-watford-man-speaks-out-4091424)

    While at Malaga he was fined for arriving late/completely absent for training three times in the same week. His overall attitude was also criticised while out injured.
    (http://sportwitness.co.uk/watford-loanee-fined-indiscipline-complicated-situation-spain/)

    My own personal view watching him 'play' for the U23s was he either couldn't be bothered and felt turning out at St. Albans was beneath him.
    His warm-ups compared to the rest of the squad were embarrassing and his attitude during the game was appalling. He'd stop if he felt he'd been fouled, waved his arms about like a lethargic helicopter if things failed to go his way and was generally a waste of space. When he did get on the ball he showed no quality whatsoever.

    It may just be, if there is any truth of his imminent release, that he was on a final warning and the club have had enough.
     
  8. USAHornet

    USAHornet Academy Graduate

    Safe to trust that the video is real.

    As for trusting that this random website's close anonymous source is credible in saying the club is looking to terminate things as a result of this? Leave that to everyone to decide individually.

    Plenty of examples of footballers being idiots, but it does say something that our renowned scouting department has signed a few that really exemplify it more than most. Nothing but the best for Watford!
     
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  9. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Exactly.

    Your average stag party sees worse goings on than that video. How many people get fired for those?

    If it isn't illegal then I don't see how it's anyone else's business. Is this sort of thing for me? No. Do I care what two or more consenting adults get up to in their own time? Also no.
     
  10. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    I hope you aren't as naive to believe all that went on at Gray's party was a kickabout and blowing out some candles?
     
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  11. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

  12. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

    Of course not but if there isn't proof of anything else happening he can't be punished for it. Penaranda's misdemeanours are becoming fairly well documented in the public domain.
     
  13. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

    Didn't Nigel Pearson's son get the boot from Leicester for his part in a self-filmed sex video with a couple of other players?

    It's probably frowned upon by clubs because of potential damage to its image and 'brand' and possibly becomes a matter of discipline (for the club, not at the party) if it breaks terms within the players contract for acceptable behaviour/conduct.
     
  14. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Unfortunately he only has himself to blame. You can have all the ability and talent but if you are not prepared to work hard then it makes little difference. Some might point to the fact he has been shipped around not been given a chance. Other players have had this and worked even harder on the training pitch or when on loan put in performances that make their parent club sit up and take notice. One such player is Tagliafico. Didn't let a spell at Murcia get him down but worked even harder when released.

    I suppose if he was vital to the team and a goalscorer and creator then the club would be lenient because when you scratch the surface of football today moral integrity is sorely lacking and what appeals to club is the financial worth or cost of a player. Penaranda with his lack of contribution and declining value does not tick those boxes.
     
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  15. Klein Lust

    Klein Lust Uber Keine

    That's a crap video clip tbh
     
  16. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Very important clarification that sex parties aren't for you!
     
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  17. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    There’s obviously a reason players get loaned out, it’s called an opportunity, either they take it or they don’t!
     
  18. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    It's such a shame .
    I won tickets for the Woking game unfortunately they were behind
    the goal in the seats in the Woking end .
    All I heard from the Woking fans was what a class act this Penaranda
    guy looked.
    I also have a funny story regarding some Woking fans and Troy Deeney but
    not sure if this is the place to share it .
     
  19. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I actually appreciate the clarity. It’s a name off my list and one less PM to send this weekend.
     
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  20. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Yes it is!
     
  21. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    I didn't want to get anyone's hopes up. Best to manage expectations.
     
  22. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    Anywho Woking had a lump of a centre half playing and these guys behind me
    kept saying what Sir Lump-a-Lot was going to do to Deeney and that Deeney was
    bottling it by not starting ?. Anyway Deeney comes on bashes the great white hope
    then taps one in 2 minutes later. Never heard another word after that !!.
     
  23. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    As I remember, Pearson's son was filmed making racist comments. Changes the situation entirely.
     
  24. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I guess Barcelona will snap him up now ? Messi can't go on forever.
     
  25. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

    ...during an orgy on the clubs goodwill tour of the owners homeland.

    Yeah, probably trumps Alalberto on a couple of things there.
     
  26. Sort of OK

    Sort of OK Reservist

    I never get invited either.
     
  27. Sort of OK

    Sort of OK Reservist

    When you put it like that it doesn't sound great does it.
     
  28. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

    Nobody in AP's video was even naked!

    He should be sacked for sex-party incompetence if nothing else.
     
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  29. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Exactly....I've seen more flesh down the local swimming pool.
     
  30. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Probably best not to admit that before your court case.
     
  31. IRB

    IRB THe artist formally know as ImRonBurgundy?

    Hope we release him

    Hes been a complete flop ever since he signed for us and i'm really sick of these carlos kickaball types and their flagrant disregard for even pretending to give a ****
     
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  32. Oscar calling

    Oscar calling Squad Player

    We can't release him without paying off his contract (or part of it). I doubt his conduct would be deemed to be gross misconduct under his contract in the courts.

    The only winner of sacking him is the player himself, who will probably get a massive signing on fee from his new club who are not paying a transfer fee.
     
  33. Ainzrocker

    Ainzrocker First Year Pro

    As some have suggested, the clubs apparent failure to administer an appropriate duty of care with their young prospects should be cause for concern. Not only from a human or brand perspective either.

    If it becomes accepted that for every Richarlison, Sarr or (hopefully) João Pedro there is also a Success or Penaranda, then there is a risk that scouted talent may not think it the best idea to move to us. Undermines the effectiveness of the scouting network and the whole Pozzo model.
     
  34. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    It's also called 'internal inability to develop players'.
     
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  35. IRB

    IRB THe artist formally know as ImRonBurgundy?

    I dont give a **** to be honest

    Pay him up and **** him off. Would rather watch 11 Jon Hogg's next season than any more of these youtube superstar idiots
     
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