The B Word

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by sydney_horn, Sep 29, 2021.

  1. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Yawn.
     
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  2. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Boomers. Put their glasses on to look at their phones and play football on a Wednesday evening according to these Italians.

     
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  3. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Qu’ils mangent de la brioche?
     
  4. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Interesting, never heard of that.:D
     
  5. I wonder why.
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  6. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    It's the weather. When will this rain ever stop?
     
  7. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Not one month ago the FT suggested that the European markets were in crisis, in part due to a lack of IPOs. Reuters reported the same 2 weeks ago, but noted a recovery was in the offing.
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    So reporting a surge needs some qualification in my opinion. You will always get a surge after a dip even if it's just a return to normailty. Many factors can affect the volume of offers available. The UK market is actually doing quite well at the moment.

    Is the Torygraph still a thing?
     
  8. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  9. I am getting to utterly hate Starmer, and even more, David ******* Lammy.
     
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  10. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    ‘Listen….’ as he invariably starts his answer to each and every question put to him.
     
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  11. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Sadly, they know they still can’t propose anything like this before the election if they want to win it.
     
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  12. I had warmed to Lammy, but after showing us that he is in fact "just like the rest of them", it's time for this:


    Some of his responses would be worthy additions to lists of "hilarious quiz show answers". Genuinely shockingly ignorant.
     
  13. Yes, but as with all of their responses to Europe issues, it doesn't have to be so unequivocal. They are either going to have to try to "make brexit work" (LOL) and condemn the UK to more gradual decline, and probably get turfed out at the next election because things are even worse, or U-turn on so many things that their credibility will be gone forever.
     
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  14. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    They aren’t saying anything so there won’t be a question of U turns. I am sure they will seek to mitigate Brexit.
     
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  15. You can't mitigate Brexit without single market. Sorry.
     
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  16. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    You can mitigate, because that’s only reducing the severity. And then you can have a single market in most respects down the line. You just call it something else.
     
  17. It's tinkering around the edges.
     
  18. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    I really can't see that happening. I think it's delusional to believe the EU are going to let a Labour government cherry pick anymore than they have done Conservative ones.

    In fact I don't think the EU will be keen on any halfway house with regards membership after conceding such deals with Norway and the Swiss. They are not popular with the other EU members so I can't see the UK achieving Single Market membership without actually joining the EU.

    It would be mad imho to join the SM without being part of the political union anyway. Who wants to join a club but voluntarily opt out of having a say in it's rule making?
     
  19. Wexford-yellow

    Wexford-yellow Academy Graduate

    I might be wrong but is it not the case that any country joining the EU in future must adopt the EURO.
    I cant see that happening and difficult to see the EU countries being open to Britain re entering.
    Customs union and single market would be best option I would think fot all sides
     
  20. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I’m really talking about the stages towards closer union. I believe the EU would be more flexible than you imagine and will understand the political endgame. Other structures could also be created to accommodate the UK having some say.

    I’d prefer to rejoin, but that is politically impossible right now and the surest way to prolong the current situation would be for any party to agitate for it strongly and give Tories a reason to live. The Conservatives must be gone before we can have sensible conversations.
     
  21. The clause actually asks countries to commit to joining the Euro when economic and political conditions allow.
     
  22. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Unlikely to be us for some time, then.

    Anyway, not sure why all you wokie wokes are talking about rejoining the EU when people are using food banks.
     
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  23. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    Poland "promised" to join the Euro about 20 years ago.....
     
  24. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    My argument about the EU or Brexit should probably be in here.

    I'm not anti EU, but do believe that all the problems that have been caused, including Brexit and the immigration issues, raise of the extreme far right across Europe was caused by the EU distributing their funds into the wrong areas of Europe for decades.

    The EU decided to make the rich richer, supporting and creating jobs in the North west territory, instead of investing heavily in the countries that needed the most infostructure support and those that needed the most investment and development, namely those that had came from the traditional eastern block.

    The vast vast majority of Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Chezks, didn't want to come to the UK, to Germany or France to look for work to look after their families. They did so because they had to. The moment they had a holiday they went home to see the families they left behind, the people they love and the people that they want to be near.

    If the EU had made the correct investments, instead of pouring money into the largest and richest economies, then they could have improved millions more lives, families and improved many more economies.

    For decades the EU ignored the east of Europe, creating a job migration that has ultimately seen skilled workers used as a low labour option, not only in the UK, but across Northern Europe.

    As much as the UK, French governments haven't invested in the next generation of skilled workers, the EU needlessly encouraging the transfer of low cost labour across the continent is a huge contributing factor too.

    We know Brexit was largely influenced by an immigration issue, we know there are extreme right groups across Europe because of immigration and we know that many of those groups are going to have a massive impact and some control after the EU elections. The right investment and long term society structure, rather than short (30 year) high investment in the rich for quick returns, would have been a better approach.

     
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  25. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    ...so like literally every other ex-pat, then?
     
  26. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I still don’t quite understand this argument. Poland joined the EU in 2004, just a decade before Brexit. I am sure that it received support then, but it was one of a number of Countries catching up. The EU has helped it do that. Leaving the EU has caused us to fall back.

    Capitalism is chaotic under the EU or anywhere else. That’s why I criticise it. But the EU certainly has attempted to modify the effects of that chaos, something the free-market architects of Brexit opposed.

    Brexit was caused by the financial crash, because of rising cost of living and decaying services, because of towns left behind after post traditional industries decayed. All within the gift of the UK Parliament to resolve. Immigration was just the thing to hang not doing anything about it on.

    As you say, immigration made the UK wealthier. So why wasn’t that shared? When its citizens were in need?
     
  27. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

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