"oh Jeremy Corbyn - The Big Lie" - Film Now On Youtube

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Clive_ofthe_Kremlin, Apr 19, 2024.

  1. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    I had to travel a fair distance to see this film. It's the one that they tried very hard to suppress. Quite a number of venues cancelled showings after being contacted with complaints that the film is "antisemitic". Even though it is narrated by Alexei Sayle and features quite a few other Jewish people. I saw it at a screening hidden away in the back of a bookshop.

    I'll be honest, it didn't really tell me anything I didn't already know. The conspiracy, the dirty tricks, the establishment coming together. I agree with the lady who points out that these media, politicians, judges, senior military, cops etc - all of them know each other, went to school together, marry each other. They united together to thoroughly smash any threat to their monopoly on power and wealth from "the herd".

    If anyone does watch it then I'd be interested to hear reactions.

     
  2. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I miss Jezza. He's a daft old **** but at least he's an honest daft old **** who doesn't spend his spare time sending photos of his c ock to people he's met through an online dating website
     
  3. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Proof positive he's 'not the right type' to hold high office in the UK then.
     
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  4. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Was it exaggerated? Yes, or at least it dominated the headlines disproportionately. Labour Party members were never going to launch a campaign against Jewish people. Vanishingly few of them actually dislike Jews. Imagine if the press cared about slights against Muslims with the same rigour? Conservatism is awash with talk of ‘incompatible cultures,’ ‘Londonistan,’ ‘invaders’ etc. It never gains critical mass because those who choose the headlines don’t want it to.

    On the other hand, there were a few people on the Palestine activist side whose views crossed into antisemitism. Other socialists didn’t register this or ignored it and when it was surfaced tended to deny it. This came to the forefront when those who sought to undermine his leadership were abused or argued with. The leadership needed to make it 100% clear that no one could abuse anyone in their name and go into battle against it. They didn’t get that message across. Instead we got Corbyn’s weedy ‘I deplore all racism’ response. I suspect it was difficult for him to embrace those who sought to be rid of him and smear him, but that’s what was needed from him as a leader. People arguing the point created a platform for the antisemitism accusations to gain traction.

    Corbyn showed poor leadership. He was hit by a tidal wave of unfair criticism and smears (as well as being undermined inside the Party) but he lacked the empathy to reach out successfully to opponents and the skills to convince. And he was fatally flawed by previous very significant errors, like the Tunisian funeral and liking the antisemitic mural. He should have seen which way the tide was flowing and stood down well before the 2019 election. I find this a woeful failure on his behalf that the cult of Corbyn encouraged and doesn’t seem to have learned from. It wasn’t fair. Well it’s the ruling class you are up against. They don’t fight fair. The Labour movement is not primarily a movement of individuals. Corbyn’s political fate did not matter against the fate of the people the Party should serve and he should have recognised that. That it was impossible for him.

    Starmer certainly misled Labour members about his intentions, but his analysis of what is required to win a General Election is probably correct. Antisemitism had to be seen to be eliminated, with extreme prejudice. The row could not continue without destroying Labour. Electoral politics is a very rough game indeed and it seems outrageous that so many members, including many Jewish members, have been excluded. But the calculation here is lose their votes and gain ten times as many as a consequence. There may one day be a reckoning for this unfairness. But the likes of Chris Williamson, I couldn’t care less about. People who lack the discipline, sense or ethics not to shut it for a while. The film does itself no favours by giving him a platform.

    I don’t like what happened and can only hope at some point Starmer’s ends will justify the means but I’ll take the Tories being defeated first.
     

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