Politcal Music And Art.

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by cyaninternetdog, Mar 28, 2024.

  1. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Lots of it about, personally one of my favourite politcal songs is Dear Mr. President by Pink, came out at the height of the Afghanistan/ Iraq war atrocities. A brutal attack on Bush hiding behind a beautiful song.



    Kool Aid Kids by The Warning is my latest favourite, speaks about the culture war, dog whistle politics and just blindly drinking the lies they want you to hear. Disciple speaks of the same messages, people being afraid to speak out, seems to be inspired by the five monkey experiment story, to my mind anyway.





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    Obviously Pink Floyds The Wall is a classic political album.



    Will add the art of Banksy as how cant you in such a discussion.

    https://www.artsy.net/article/hang-up-gallery-politics-banksy

    Last one, please share anything you enjoy and has sparked something in you.

     
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    PicassoGuernica.jpg

    An extraordinary piece of art, even if Pablo was an asshole.
     
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  8. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    What is the name of the piece? Thumbnail is quite small.
     
  9. Keighley

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    Guernica. Probably the most famous painting of the last century.
     
  10. Bwood_Horn

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    Of all his masterpieces you chose that?

     
  11. Keighley

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    I always enjoyed it, don’t you like it?

    In some respects I prefer his love songs.
     
  12. Bwood_Horn

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    Les Québécois up in arms over language rights (namely pressure from L'Académie fran*aise to speak 'proper' French):



    Two from Lithuania. The first extolling the joys of being a Soviet plumber from Ukmerge (think 'Hatfield') - "I'll never need to go to Jamaica...."



    And as the Soviet system was in full collapse, the central party system put out a leaflet extolling its citizens how to keep healthy and warm during winter "At least once a week walk up to the 8th floor of an apartment block" "Eat lots of vegetables" etc: So Kernagis set it to music.

     
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  13. Bwood_Horn

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    Somehow Robert Wyatt's version is event better - sublime I would say:

     
  14. sydney_horn

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    Great video too....

     
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  16. Keighley

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    Yes, really not a lot to choose between them. I like Chet Baker on the Costello version though.
     
  17. Keighley

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    Of course, both excellent.
     
  18. Lloyd

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    This gets me every time

     
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  19. Bwood_Horn

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    ...Last one, please share anything you enjoy and has sparked something in you.



    These were supporting Billy Bragg (along with Michelle Shocked) in 1988(9?) - it's a shame there's no evidence of the extraordinary stage show (drills, angle grinders, welding) that the Beatnigs put on at the same time, which they always stated was a homage to GSH:



    Their performance style melded with them morphing into the Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy:



    I really like GSH - I really, really like this:

     
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  20. Moose

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    Saw both GSH and the Disposable Heroes a couple of times. Great shows.
     
  21. Nothing compares to The Clash in their pomp.


    "Taking off his turban, they said is this man a Jew?"

    Even covered by The Boss
     
  22. Bwood_Horn

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    Akchewally The Boss has produced on the greatest political rock songs ever:

     
  23. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Yeah you could have just ended with Guernica and explained what it was about instead of adding the extra bit to make yourself feel superior and try to belittle someone for not knowing. Art is for everyone and to be shared without pretension.




    https://oldtimemusic.com/the-meaning-behind-the-song-holy-roller-by-spiritbox/

    "The main message of Holy Roller revolves around questioning the dogmas and conventions associated with religious belief. It encourages listeners to embark on their own spiritual journeys and emphasizes the importance of empathy and understanding, rather than judgment." A beautfiul message.
     
  24. Keighley

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    Woah, woah, hang on: that wasn’t my intention at all! It was just a piece of information. You’re reading far too much into it.

    Apologies if it came across that way, it really wasn’t how I meant it.
     
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  25. Moose

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    It probably was the most well-known painting during the latter half of the century, but I suspect it would be a better Pointless answer than The Kiss these days because of poster art.
     
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  26. cyaninternetdog

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    In that case I apologise, all good in the hood. Hard to get context through text online, something I have known for ages and I did think about but the worst of me came out.

    Anyway I found this, explained it all very well.

     
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  27. Since63

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    Not surprisingly perhaps, there were lots of anti-war songs from all sectors of the 'pop music world' in the late '60s and early '70s. Such as 'Universal Soldier' by Donovan; 'With God On Our Side' by Dylan; 'Lives And Ladies' by Family; 'Come Away Melinda' by Uriah Heep (who would become known as 'heavy rock', but things were much less segmented then); 'Harold Land' from Yes' eponymous 1st album; 'The Unknown Soldier' by the Doors; 'Black Skin Blue Eyed Boys' by the Equals, which combined anti-war and anti-racist messages.
    And then there were early 'climate protest' (or was it really 'warning') songs such as 'After The Flood' by Van Der Graaf Generator; 'Big Yellow Taxi' and 'Woodstock' by Joni Mitchell.
    Almost anything by Dylan at the time used to be 'political' in all its meanings.

    More recently, honourable mention must go to the Levellers....I think the clue's in the name.
     
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  28. sydney_horn

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    Recently got into the 60/70s anti-war music after watching the excellent PBS Vietnam documentary series. My favourite (and least subtle!) anti-war film is War by Edwin Starr.....

     
  29. Keighley

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    FTFY
     
  30. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    No doubt Dylan has written some great songs but I feel they were always better sung by somebody else, his dull voice just annoys me for some reason.

    The Vietnam war brought some great songs.

    Oppenheimer is a great anti war movie, the final scene is very poignant.
     
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  31. Since63

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    The 'grammar pedant' persona I find convincing; not something I can say for the 'musical illiterate' one though!
     
  32. Keighley

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    Dylan is a decent songwriter but an utterly appalling singer. I’m surprised his voice hasn’t been patented as a paint stripper.
     
  33. Since63

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    Fully agree that many covers of his songs are excellent. Those by The Byrds & Manfred Mann especially. His voice was not the most mellifluous and became less so after his accident. But the quality of the writing was still there.
     
  34. Since63

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    See my answer to cyan...and I think 'decent' is a slight undervaluation. The rhythmic, metric, and rhyming patterns are nearly always excellent, especially considering the subject matter.
     
  35. Keighley

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    Well yes, but if one can’t get past his voice, it’s all a bit moot imo.
     

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