Watford FC 0-0 Crystal Palace - 21/04/2018

I actually agree with a lot of that. Although I would say that you should read more of what I say on here if you think I’m ‘entitled’. I accept where we are as a club. But as I’ve said on here recently, it isn’t a negative to want more and believe we can push on. The start of this season and Burnley’s progress shows we are capable and it’s possible.

Rome wasn’t built in a day and I’m totally okay and accepting of that. I just thoroughly believe we have the wrong manager employing the wrong tactics and stale lineups which are turning 3 points into 1. Or 1 point into none.

If you disagree with that, I really wish you could have been at the last 3 games and although you may have come away from those games not feeling as strongly, you will certainly see why some of us do.

 

last few months watching watford has been **** , we looked so good at the start

However if you look at the table on the BBC and the last 5 games per club from Bournemouth down (10 teams)only 7 wins amongst them (out of 50 games) , i think there must be 10 forums with the same conversations about how **** their side is.

Let’s be honest their are 6 or 7 good sides in the premiership and 13 championship sides, i wouldn’t mind betting if you took the top half of the championship and the bottom half of the prem that the championship sides would more than hold their own

 

We'll win this. Trust me.

 

We need to that's for sure!

 

Yes the players worked their socks off to manage 4 shots in 90 mins at HTFC. Ince's sheer ability got him that goal, nothing to do with desire. What was so disappointing was that the lack of effort was so entirely predictable and indeed predicted on this forum .

 

If we win this we'll somehow leapfrog Bournemouth... would be nice.

 

If we win this, does it mean we’re good again?

 

It is worth visiting the Bhappy website (www.bhappy.wordpress.com) for excellent match reports and measured, sensible comments from Watford fans which are in marked contrast to some of the repetitive and hysterical nonsense that appears on here that's posted (mostly) by armchair fans who, as you say, appear incredibly entitled

 

For 9 whole days, yes.

 

Can you please explain this ‘entitled’ comment that keeps cropping up?

For all the people who are doubtful of Gracia and angry at recent lapses in performance, I’ve noticed only a very small percentage of those people who say anything ludicrous. The fan who said Gino’s reign has been mediocre for example. I can accept that is hysterical and entitled.

But a much larger amount of posts which point out disappointment are tempered with them admitting we have no right to expect to be higher or better. Is it wrong to want to be though?

I’ve said it before - I know exactly where we are operating as a club. And I’m happy with it. But by wanting and believing we can be better is not a sense of entitlement. We were better under Silva to begin with. So it can be done with this set of players and even more so with necessary additions. And Burnley have shown this season that a club of our stature can achieve more.

I’m sure you sense your viewpoint is one of reality and common sense. I also have that view. But if we want to achieve what I am stating above, then I believe a change of manager is needed. If you don’t, that’s up to you.

But I read very little on here that sounds ‘entitled’ even if some is over the top.

 

I don't. I think you are a Russian bot programmed to create confusion by undermining the consensus on here.

 

It's not a sense of entitlement to expect CBs to know how to handle balls hoofed into our mixer. No one's expecting them to keep Mo Salah quiet, but hoof balls are really basic bread and butter stuff.

Its not a sense of entitlement to expect a striker to run around a bit, into channels, in behind defenders... again basic normal striker stuff.

God knows what has been coached over the last 3 years.

 

Never underestimate how little coaching happens in tennis,with some coaches and players. I fear the same happens in football, but cannot be certain.

 

Exactly this. I have been watching Watford since 1970 and have no sense of any entitlement to anything.

But seeing the same players make the same basic mistakes week after week gets people frustrated - they are not bad players, far from it, but that makes it worse, not better. If Dominic Blizzard gives the ball way, it's cause he was ****. If Capoue gives the ball away, it is quite often because he is too casual, or trying to be too clever in the wrong place.

All of this used to get talked about down the pub, now its on social media, that's all.

Going all the way to watch that crap last Saturday is bound to have seriously pissed some people off, me included. We gave the ball away constantly, wasted every set piece, conceded a needless and pathetic last minute winner. It would be totally unrealistic to expect people to say "oh well, never mind" and get on with it.

It would have been just the same 50 years ago, just less public.

 

2-0 down after 20 minutes Grazia decides to go for it and takes off Troy. Who mistaking him for a fan ignores him as his opinion doesn't count. Troy then gets sent off for refusing to leave the field of play but doesn't listen to the ref as they aren't important either. Even after the home fans are screaming and booing him to leave the field he doesnt care. Its only when Marriappa has a word in his ear that it sinks in, at which point he flicks the finger at everyone and slowly trudges off the pitch. Thus brings down the curtain on Troy with a 10 game ban which will be served while he is on a beach with famous people not giving a single ****erooney.

5-0 Eagles.

"Fat all over. Deeney is. Fat all over.
Deeney is fat all over so sad he's ours."

Sing the 1881 in unison.

No one cares.

 

I care, but it could all come to fruition,I see that.
Perhaps if I were to drop 300 weight of carrots on Zaha pre match?

 

Exactly.

And differerent people will have different ideas on how to stop what is happening most weeks. Nobody is saying we didn’t play reasonably well against Bournemouth and Burnley. But those performances were underpinned by disappointment. And it’s happening with regularity.
Some will want a different formation.
Some will want more concentration.
Some will want a new captain.
Some will want defender dropped.
Some will want 3 at the back.
Some will want wing-backs.
Some will want Troy dropped.

And as I see it, there’s been plenty of opportunity for Gracia to grasp any or all of the above. And he’s hasn’t.
So some will want Gracia gone at the end of the season.

It has very little to do with fans not recognising where we are, against where we have come from.

 

Liked for the most clichés in one post.

 

Entitled is an adjective meaning ‘believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privilege or special treatment’. In this context the ‘privilege’ would be to support a football team that plays better or wins more games than it loses. By taking to this forum to slag off the players for a perceived lack of ability and/or effort, or the manager, or the owner each time we underperform or fail to win, certain posters appear to believe that they ‘deserve’ more than the team gives them – hence they come across as ‘entitled’.

 

While your googled meaning of entitled https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/entitled is somewhat or partially correct, no googling of privilege would come up with your ridiculous interpretation.

 

Are you serious?

 

I just think that some people have lost a sense of perspective

 

Again, I don’t see a large percentage of fans on here (who are dissenting) claiming that they ‘deserve’ more. Some ‘want’ more and have very valid reasons for why and valid reasons for how to make that happen.

Maybe you pride yours of on being level-headed and seeing things we don’t see. The point I’m trying to make is that I do see those things. And I still think we are capable of more.

 

And I think you have an overly-heightened sense of perspective. Difference is, I’m not trying to persuade you (or anyone else) that you’re wrong.

 

I think we all 'want' more - but some of us are prepared to wait a little longer to get it. It's all opinion - there's no right or wrong

 

Absolutely spot on! The apathy of our fans was part of the reason GT left first time around. Let's hope the serial online moaners don't cause the Pozzos to question their involvement with WFC

 

Problem is, due to the Arsenal fans in our support, this is what it is now.

Fam.

 

In retrospect, no more than you could have been when I replied. You got me.

 

I was in a good moment

 

I wonder who has the bigger sense of entitlement though, us supporters or our owners the Pozzos?

Purely supposition I know because I don’t know Gino personally, but I would imagine having invested so much time and money in us over the past six seasons, he might be hoping for something a little better than what we are currently witnessing.

Duxbury’s comments pre-season would appear to back that up too.

My personal take is it’s not so much entitlement as merely wanting to see signs of progression. You get promoted and your aim the first season up is merely survival. The following season you hope to improve slightly, and so on and so on. I sympathise totally with Lloyd’s view and I think at times we all do have to stand back and remember where we were 7 yeas ago, but equally I think it’s totally natural to want to see improvement season by season too.

I’m not sure come four matches time, we will be able to look back at this season as one where we really kicked on, or got our highest tally of points or wins since our promotion.

Equally some of us worry that won’t hapoen next season either with Gracia in charge.