Ben Manga

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by reids, Nov 7, 2022.

  1. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  2. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    I can't imagine any way in which Utd would have loaned Garnacho to the Championship in the second half of last season. Pellistri already only seemed vaguely plausible.

    Also, would Spence have really picked us ahead of Ligue 1 Rennes for a loan?

    Picking Arajo instead of Archer was just a rubbish decision though.

    The lame signings of Ferreira and Araujo seem firmly to be placed at the door of Manga and his team - but I think we already knew that given Costa's network and that Manga basically admitted that he'd underestimated the Championship initially.
     
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  3. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Ferreira wasn't too bad was he but got injured and never really re-gained his place.

    Arajo was too lightweight - mind you we had another striker who was supposed to be perfect for the Championship and he was rubbish too.
     
  4. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Davis, the immovable object?
     
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  5. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    This is a hit piece commissioned by the club. I could believe Sissoko, Livermore and Spence. Not Archer or Garnacho though. We had a budget of £2m. Plus the wages we'd have sunken on those to boot. I don't buy all of it.

    I completely believe there being too many cooks in the kitchen. I think though the wrong chef got sacked.
     
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  6. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Does sound like there were some ****-ups, if it's true that we turned Spence and Drameh down for Ferreira, and Archer for Araujo, those would have to go down as bad ones, but imagine the reaction if we'd signed Livermore in January? He's been a pleasant surprise, but he wasn't getting a place in the West Brom team (and as the only midfielder of his type, him signing alone wouldn't magical fix everything as he won't be able to play every game)
     
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  7. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Wasn’t Garnacho part of the Man U squad?

    Maybe they mean the other young player we were linked with who Bilic wanted .
     
  8. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Even if Manga has basically admitted that he got it wrong in January, I'd still rather have had his input rather than Giaretta and Duxbury, only at a push Hoedt (a Bayat bargain bucket deal) and Porteous (an opportunistic punt on a player whose contract was expiring) were what we needed, the rest were young players with potential but either unsuited to English football (Araujo and Ferreira), or just far too wet behind the ears to immediately succeed in the rough and tumble of the Championship (Koné and Martins)
     
  9. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    Reads like Bilic was scapegoated. I wonder if he jumped rather than pushed...
     
  10. AFWO

    AFWO Academy Graduate

    Certainly wasn’t commissioned by the club! In fact, nobody working there now contributed to it. If some look worse than others then that’s how it is, but nobody comes out of the whole mess looking good.
     
  11. Malco_Falco

    Malco_Falco Academy Graduate

    Gotta admit I was absolutely blown away by that revelation
     
  12. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Even if it were a smear job on Manga to make him look like a clown, it won't reflect well on the club as they appointed him in the first place!
     
  13. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Or make sure the manager at the time wanted to work with him ?

    Mind you we’d probably had 2/3 in the time Manga was appointed to when he came !
     
  14. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    Fair enough. Agree nobody comes out looking good from this whether it's Manga, Giarrata or others.
     
  15. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

  16. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

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  17. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    We didn’t back Giaretta for the record here (on this matter). Giaretta’s role was always largely misunderstood - which is the clubs fault as they billed him as something he wasn’t. But he was a pen-pusher who was there to have his name put to things and go and do jobs when others wouldn’t/couldn’t.

    I still don’t like him as he was blindly beholden to Pozzo. But the vitriol he gets is misguided.

    Manga was sacked because of Ismael, not Giaretta.
     
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  18. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Really seems like the club backed Ismael initially just to make a point that they had changed, only for it all to come undone through poor recruiting and Ismael himself being underwhelming. Must say I always assumed Giaretta was behind all this, but he's one of numerous people (see Dowling, Duxbury, and a whole host of managers) who have been made out to be convenient scapegoats when the real problem goes higher
     
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  19. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Got one hell of a job on his hands to get them out of their funk!
     
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  20. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    Unlike us, he will get the support, backing and time he needs to turn it around.
     
  21. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    The Barney Stinson role.
     
  22. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    Given the wild reputation he seemed to have, you'd have thought a bigger club in England may have been in for him.
     
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  23. Maedhon

    Maedhon Academy Graduate

    Aren't Schalke an absolute basket case of a club aswell?
     
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  24. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Wild reputation?

    Not sure you can argue with what he did at Eintracht Frankfurt. With every passing day, it looks more mental that we backed Giaretta and Ismael over this guy.

    Reality is that Ben Manga came in, tried to do the work he was given the remit to do, and Gino quickly realised that he didn’t like not having control of everything.
     
  25. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Yes - a fallen giant in the German 2nd tier .
     
  26. reids

    reids First Team

    He was exactly what we needed - finding gems to sell for big money to help get us out our financial hole. Frankfurt sold Muani to PSG for €95m last summer, just 14 months after Manga and his team landed him on a free transfer. Sold Lindstrom to Napoli for €30m (after buying him for €7m 2 years earlier) and that was just the top 2 sales last summer.
     
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  27. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Strange that he agreed to join us, and strange that we fired him so quickly.
     
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  28. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Basically didn’t buy players Bilic and Ismael wanted it seemed so got blamed for it .
     
  29. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Probably general Pozzo short termism - within 3 months he'd not bought in several players for peanuts, who turn out to be stars worth over £50m, so sack him.
     
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  30. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Biggest irony being that at the time he got Muani out of Nantes, Bayat was heavily involved in their transfers, same as he was at Charleroi when Osimhen left there. For all the talk from Pozzo of Bayat being able to do great deals, that's two excellent players where we had an insider in the selling club and both went elsewhere.
     
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  31. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    We were interested in Muani but rather unsurprisingly he rejected us for a club who were playing Champion's League football.
     
  32. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    A year after our interest was reported...

    Edit: he ran his contract down so that was probably always his plan! But anyway, what's the point of having Mogi around strong arming young players into moves they don't want if he can't get the good ones to agree to join us!
     
  33. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    There's clearly a limit to his powers.
     
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  34. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    The amount of dumb things Pozzo has done is hard to keep track of, but hiring a renowned DOF with the specific of idea of trying to emulate what he did extremely well at his last club, only to sack him in favour of an average manager who is infinitely less capable of doing the same job, has to be up there as the one of the dumbest.

    And yet we still have fans on this very page defending it.
     
  35. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Like a spoilt child, unable to give anything and jumps from one "brilliant" idea to the next, burning money as he goes.
     
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