Area 51.

[Birdydoug]

New book on Area 51 has been released, might just have to get a copy.

A good read if you are into this sort of thing is "Above Top Secret " is by Tim Green or something like that .

http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/06/07/area-51-ufos-aliens-annie-jacobsen-nazi-soviet_n_869706.html#s285846&title=Area_51_Warning

[Hornmeister]

Ever had a look at area 51 on google earth?
The new ground level view is cool.

[Smudger]

Ever had a look at area 51 on google earth?
The new ground level view is cool.

Do you have a pic meister ? Apparently Bassini's former address was Area 51.

[Birdydoug]

Here is a link to some photos, I was unable to copy them as I don't have the necessary clearance level.

All non military personal commute in from Orange County Airport on a daily by a 737, the flight number is classified.

Military personal who have been given Top Secret clearance live on the base with their families.

This link may be monitored.

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[inayellowshirt]

New book on Area 51 has been released, might just have to get a copy.

A good read if you are into this sort of thing is "Above Top Secret " is by Tim Green or something like that .

http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/06/07/area-51-ufos-aliens-annie-jacobsen-nazi-soviet_n_869706.html#s285846&title=Area_51_Warning

you mean Timothy Good

Got a few of his books

[Birdydoug]

you mean Timothy Good

Got a few of his books

That's the man, good read.

[inayellowshirt]

That's the man, good read.

Some of the Whitley Streiber books are a good old read as well.

As a piece of fiction, but on the subject. Nick Popes "Operation Thunderchild" and "Operation Lightning Strike" are very good

[hectic_freeze]

It's worth pointing out that the government doesn't debate that there is a military base at the location area 51 is supposed to be, but the question is more about what purpose the base serves. The Americans tend to be very close guarded with their military secrets, so it's doubtful anyone will ever know for certain

[Stevohorn]

It's worth pointing out that the government doesn't debate that there is a military base at the location area 51 is supposed to be, but the question is more about what purpose the base serves. The Americans tend to be very close guarded with their military secrets, so it's doubtful anyone will ever know for certainThere was a documentary on National Geographic (Scandinavia) the other night all about Area 51.

I dident watch it all but the bit i did see was suggesting that the documents from the early days of the camp are now declassified. They went on to interview lots of old fellas who had worked there from the start.. nothing about UFO's/aliens but lots about nuclear testing.
The general consensus is that the US government have been happy for people to fantasize about little green men because it acts as a good smokescreeen to the actual military operations that were performed at places like Area 51 (Sounds a bit like reading this messageboard at the moment!)

[hectic_freeze]

There was a documentary on National Geographic (Scandinavia) the other night all about Area 51.

I dident watch it all but the bit i did see was suggesting that the documents from the early days of the camp are now declassified. They went on to interview lots of old fellas who had worked there from the start.. nothing about UFO's/aliens but lots about nuclear testing.
The general consensus is that the US government have been happy for people to fantasize about little green men because it acts as a good smokescreeen to the actual military operations that were performed at places like Area 51 (Sounds a bit like reading this messageboard at the moment!)

Nuclear testing would fit the time period, but it's unlikely it's used for that now. I still doubt it's to do with aliens though

[Smudger]

There was a documentary on National Geographic (Scandinavia) the other night all about Area 51.

I dident watch it all but the bit i did see was suggesting that the documents from the early days of the camp are now declassified. They went on to interview lots of old fellas who had worked there from the start.. nothing about UFO's/aliens but lots about nuclear testing.
The general consensus is that the US government have been happy for people to fantasize about little green men because it acts as a good smokescreeen to the actual military operations that were performed at places like Area 51 (Sounds a bit like reading this messageboard at the moment!)

Talk about misleading information. They were advertising the show last weekend on NG using the classic alien images. :rolleyes:

[Birdydoug]

Here is a link to Wiki page on Roswell, rather long but some good info here.

I'm on the side that things do exist up there, I really became interested after I had an incident with my then wife on the M4 about 20 years ago, basically it was a sighting of something that we both could not explain.

Looking back in history there are drawings from caves that are clearly objects that have been seen and recorded in a primitive manor that can not be dismissed.

We have been firing objects into space for over 50 years which is miniscule in the age of the universe.

Anyway here is the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_Incident

[north wales yellow]

Looking back in history there are drawings from caves that are clearly objects that have been seen and recorded in a primitive manor that can not be dismissed.

Could these drawings represent time travellers going back in time, as with UFO now days, could these be time travellers from the future?

[Birdydoug]

Interesting point but would you want to travel back in time and change things because that would change the future and jepordise your own existence.

[north wales yellow]

Not necessarily change things just view that time era, and who knows if things weren't changed, if they had not been changed would we be here today?

[Hornmeister]

Time travel can't be ruled out with the reasoning:
"If it had been invented, someone would have come back in time and we would know". This is flawed because:

If we assume now is the present, then only when time travel has become possible (in the future) would events in history (ie now) change . We would not notice the changes as these would have always been so (current and previous events that were changed never having happened), as history is re-written, but with an infinite (I'm assuming here) time ahead of us, there's no way it would be kept secret. In other words suddenly history will change, we will be aware of the possibilities of time travel and it will have always been possible but until it is made a possibility its impossible.

[Hornmeister]

Interesting point but would you want to travel back in time and change things because that would change the future and jepordise your own existence.

But if you jeopardise your own existence by changing an event in the past, you would not exist to have changed that event in the past, therefore no change will occur.



The invention of time travel will happen (if it happens) as part of a complex sequence of events.
If travel into the past occurs, that complex sequence of events leading to time travel will have then been changed (even if there is no discernible interference in the invention chain of events)
It's likely that the invention of time travel will then have been jeopardised to an extent that time travel was not invented.
This then means that travel back in time to affect the invention of time travel will not have happened and time travel will have become a possibility. go to point 2.

[Hornmeister]

As you can see it's a bit of a slow afternoon.:dismay:

[Birdydoug]

But if you jeopardise your own existence by changing an event in the past, you would not exist to have changed that event in the past, therefore no change will occur.



The invention of time travel will happen (if it happens) as part of a complex sequence of events.
If travel into the past occurs, that complex sequence of events leading to time travel will have then been changed (even if there is no discernible interference in the invention chain of events)
It's likely that the invention of time travel will then have been jeopardised to an extent that time travel was not invented.
This then means that travel back in time to affect the invention of time travel will not have happened and time travel will have become a possibility. go to point 2.



I'm going away to think about that one, something along the lines of a paralell universe and being to cross over then making time travel acheivable without destroying future events.

Might be on to something here, keep on reading Stephen Hawkins.

[Hornmeister]

I'm going away to think about that one, something along the lines of a paralell universe and being to cross over then making time travel acheivable without destroying future events.

Might be on to something here, keep on reading Stephen Hawkins.

Think that's Hawking's theorem, the time line splits into an alternate path to get around that paradox.

[north wales yellow]

Have you experienced deja vu?

[north wales yellow]

What if the parallel universe theory is bang on correct, what if the parallel version of you in the closest reality to you has done exactly what you are about to do, and the wave lengths come across interdemensions string together and create memories of a similar event or memory. An event that's real even though it's not your memory, but convinces you that it is yours however this is not in your realm. It's an event that takes place in an entirely separate demension. Or possibly the other way around, what if your the main reality who transcends your activities to multiple demensions causing ripple effects throughout the time space continuim.

[Hornmeister]

What if the parallel universe theory is bang on correct, what if the parallel version of you in the closest reality to you has done exactly what you are about to do, and the wave lengths come across interdemensions string together and create memories of a similar event or memory. An event that's real even though it's not your memory, but convinces you that it is yours however this is not in your realm. It's an event that takes place in an entirely separate demension. Or possibly the other way around, what if your the main reality who transcends your activities to multiple demensions causing ripple effects throughout the time space continuim.

Nah!

[Hornmeister]

Excellent the sponsored ad at the bottom is for Scientology:biggrin:

[oxhey67]

Have you experienced deja vu?

I'm sure you've said that before.

[north wales yellow]

I'm sure you've said that before.

Have you experienced deja vu?

[Birdydoug]

Have you experienced deja vu?


Not sure, sounds familiar though.

[oxhey67]

Have you experienced deja vu?

On a serious note, yes I have.

Every now and again I get the feeling I've lived through a particular event before after sensing or 'seeing' it in what I can only describe as a very brief moment of double vision of which an entire conversation, for example, is played out.
Sometimes they're personal experiences but occasionally they're events I'm not connected with.
As I say, it's a brief flash of memory with a knowledge of the more general whole.

A slightly different occurrence happened when I was a kid when aged about 5 or 6 I was cycling around on my first bike.
As I carefully peddled my life, world, senses or whatever jumped back a split second and I then carried on as normal. It was a bit like a vinyl record jumping but backwards rather than forwards.
It freaked me out but being so young I just kind of took it in my stride although I didn't mention it to anybody for years.

It was just plain odd, as if someone had picked me up and placed me several yards or so back from where I'd just been but with no time passing.
My momentum then took me back to where I had been originally.
The very specific feeling of a shift of something in my head is something I can still recall very vividly (shudder).

After reading that all back I sound particularly mental and disturbed :doom:

Wibble.

[Hornmeister]

Just a short circuit in your head. Brian stores info in your long term memory instead of or at the same time as your short.

There's nothing to worry about.


Just a short circuit in your head. Brian stores info in your long term memory instead of or at the same time as your short.

There's nothing to worry about.

[Birdydoug]

Just a short circuit in your head. Brian stores info in your long term memory instead of or at the same time as your short.

There's nothing to worry about.

Just a short circuit in your head. Brian stores info in your long term memory instead of or at the same time as your short.

There's nothing to worry about.

Just a short circuit in your head. Brian stores info in your long term memory instead of or at the same time as your short.

There's nothing to worry about.

[oxhey67]

What is there nothing to worry about?

[scummybear]

More importantly, who is Brian?!

[Birdydoug]

More importantly, who is Brian?!

You mean you don't know who Brian is ? Everyone knows Brian.

[scummybear]

You mean you don't know who Brian is ? Everyone knows Brian.

Well if everyone knows Brian, then I guess I do know him...

[Birdydoug]

Brian was bragging to his boss one day, "You know, I know everyone there is to know. Just name someone, anyone, and I know them."

Tired of his boasting, his boss called his bluff, "OK,Brian, how about Tom Cruise?"
No dramas boss, Tom and I are old friends, and I can prove it." So Brian and his boss fly out to Hollywood and knock on Tom Cruise's door. Tom Cruise shouts,
"Brian! What's happening? Great to see you! Come on in for a beer!

Although impressed, Brian's boss is still sceptical and he tells Brian that he thinks him knowing Cruise was just lucky.

"No, no, just name anyone else," Brian says. 'President Bush," his boss quickly retorts. "Yup," Brian says, "Old buddies, let's fly out to Washington."

At the White House, Bush spots Brian on the tour and motions him and his boss over, saying, "Brian, what a surprise, I was just on my way to a meeting but you and your friend come on in and let's have a cup of coffee first and catch up."

After they leave the White House grounds he expresses his doubts to Brian, who again implores him to name anyone else. "The Pope," his boss replies. "Sure!" says Brian. I've known the Pope for years."

So off they fly to Rome.

Brian and his boss are assembled with the masses at the Vatican. Brian says, "This will never work. I can't catch the Pope's eye among all these people. Tell you what, I know all the guards so let me just go upstairs and I'll come out on the balcony with the Pope."

Sure enough, half an hour later Brian emerges with the Pope on the balcony, but by the time Brian returns, he finds that his boss has had a heart attack and is surrounded by paramedics.

Making his way to his boss' side, Brian asks him, "What happened?" His boss looks up and says, " It was the final straw you and the Pope came out on the balcony and the man next to me said,

"Who the f*&k's that on the balcony with Brian ?"

[oxhey67]

Ohhh, that Brian :rolleyes:

[Smudger]

Have you experienced deja vu?

Todgers jumping ship. Followed by Mulky.

[Birdydoug]

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0PDoX50KflNn2QAcGOjzbkF/SIG=12gjm287t/EXP=1308203508/**http%3a//www.area51et.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/ARV01.jpg

Reproduction of the interior of a flying saucer.

[Birdydoug]

mmm last post got lost in cyberspace.

[Hornmeister]

OK I'm getting worried now.

There's two blokes in white all-in-one suits carrying red binbags, rooting about in the church garden next to where I work.:eek:

[Birdydoug]

OK I'm getting worried now.

There's two blokes in white all-in-one suits carrying red binbags, rooting about in the church garden next to where I work.:eek:

Don't be silly and upset the tone of this thread, this is a very serious topic.

THey are more likely to be forensic police searching for evidence in a murder investigation, if you can see any yellow and black tape and a small tent then this will eliminate aliens. The blue flashing lights are the emergency vechicles not a space craft.

[north wales yellow]

OK I'm getting worried now.

There's two blokes in white all-in-one suits carrying red binbags, rooting about in the church garden next to where I work.:eek:

Area 52?

[oxhey67]

Area 52?

Area nightclub?

[Hornmeister]

Area 52?

Funnily enough 53 is in the postcode:eek:

[Birdydoug]

They're coming a "definate sighting" over London.


http://www.wfcforums.com/images/icons/icon2.gifhttp://www.asylum.co.uk/2011/06/27/video-ufo-definitely-spotted-over-london-definitely-real-defi/

[Hornmeister]

Nah. It's CGI imho. The objects don't move in sync with the camera shake, they remain a consistant position with reference to the frame.

Good job though, they've done well handling the semi transparency of the clouds as the objects fly behind.